Montoya deserved a 10s Stop-Go

Schumacher · 17 Mar 2002, 09:28 (Ref:237194)

The race stewards are blind not to have seen that little punk try and squeeze Schumy out at the first corner.He left no room and then turned in on him.Same as Austria.He should have been givejn a 10s stop and go.I cannot believe he got away with this.

Raoul Duke · 17 Mar 2002, 09:29 (Ref:237196)

I guess you had your blinders on when TGF pulled his usual chop at the start of the race

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Mr V · 17 Mar 2002, 09:30 (Ref:237197)

you are having a laugh here aren't you???

f1manoz · 17 Mar 2002, 09:30 (Ref:237201)

This first comment, of course, comes from a TGF fan with rose-coloured glasses on. And, can you explain sir, the huge chop at the start?

Oh, but of course, since it's TGF, he's allowed to do what he wants

Damon · 17 Mar 2002, 09:31 (Ref:237203)

Quote:

Originally posted by Schumacher
The race stewards are blind not to have seen that little punk try and squeeze Schumy out at the first corner.He left no room and then turned in on him.Same as Austria.He should have been givejn a 10s stop and go.I cannot believe he got away with this.

Are you actually insane? Were you watching the same race?

Nicholas · 17 Mar 2002, 09:31 (Ref:237206)

I think TGF should know best what happened, and he said it was a racing incident.

That means it was either that or it was TGF's fault

The Accomplice · 17 Mar 2002, 09:33 (Ref:237209)

Quote:

The race stewards are blind not to have seen that little punk try and squeeze Schumy out at the first corner.He left no room and then turned in on him.Same as Austria.He should have been givejn a 10s stop and go.I cannot believe he got away with this.

Find another sport to watch, you know nothing about this one.

calais · 17 Mar 2002, 09:33 (Ref:237210)

YOU MUST BE JOKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
with a name like that, what can you expect.
i like this attitude of " how dare that peasant dare to overtake the lord"

grow up!!!!

Piquet · 17 Mar 2002, 09:36 (Ref:237218)

Quote:

Originally posted by Schumacher
The race stewards are blind not to have seen that little punk try and squeeze Schumy out at the first corner.He left no room and then turned in on him.Same as Austria.He should have been givejn a 10s stop and go.I cannot believe he got away with this.

Schumacher · 17 Mar 2002, 09:37 (Ref:237221)

Schumy made one move and left plenty of room for the punk to do what he likes.The little weasel knew he could not get ahead and purposely went to squeeze Schumy in the desperate hope Schumy would lift.Well guess what kid this is not a chicken like Andretti.If you play with the big boys,be prepared to race like one.

Damon · 17 Mar 2002, 09:39 (Ref:237227)

Yep, you are insane.

Maisie · 17 Mar 2002, 09:39 (Ref:237228)

I think it's quite telling that even Schumacher said in the press conference that the penalty was unfair. Looking at a photo on the BBC's website, Montoya's well over to the centre of the track. Surely Schumacher should have known that Montoya would be moving onto the racing line and braked accordingly?

Mania · 17 Mar 2002, 09:42 (Ref:237234)

Penalize em both~!

Raoul Duke · 17 Mar 2002, 09:45 (Ref:237240)

What about Nurburgring 2001, Suzuka 2000, Jeres 97. I guess none of that counts because it's TGF. But the minute anyone dares to race the great one, well that's unnacceptable....

igh:

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Don K · 17 Mar 2002, 09:45 (Ref:237241)

Quote:

Originally posted by Schumacher
Schumy made one move and left plenty of room for the punk to do what he likes.The little weasel knew he could not get ahead and purposely went to squeeze Schumy in the desperate hope Schumy would lift.

I don't know.
Apart from the in-car footing from Montoya's car, I haven't seen any footing from the incident itself (only from just before or just after), so it's hard to say whether or not Montoya left Michael enought room.
As both of them say it's a racing incident, I assume he did leave them enough room, and it that case even a drive-through penalty is too much.

drexel · 17 Mar 2002, 09:45 (Ref:237242)

If the situation was reversed...then ppl would be saying how strong it was of Montoya not to lift off...As it happened..it was Michael who didn't back down and they both payed the price.

The 'chop' was legal so stop crying about it.

Damon · 17 Mar 2002, 09:48 (Ref:237246)

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Originally posted by drexel
If the situation was reversed...then ppl would be saying how strong it was of Montoya not to lift off...As it happened..it was Michael who didn't back down and they both payed the price.

The 'chop' was legal so stop crying about it.

JPM would have backed offif he was over 3/4 of a car length behind (as Schu was).

No the chop wasn't illegal but it was down right dangerous and should be made illegal. It is also very unsporting although that is Schumacher all over.

DavyboyLT1 · 17 Mar 2002, 09:50 (Ref:237250)

It seems almost as if they penalized JPM in order to even things up a bit with TGF. Since TGF had to drive a lap without his front wing, and then pit for a replacement, he lost a lot more time than JPM. I don't think that what the stewards did was right, by any means, but they may have been trying to equalize the time lost to the 2 of them.

Damon · 17 Mar 2002, 09:52 (Ref:237254)

Why should they though?

Jonny Apex · 17 Mar 2002, 09:52 (Ref:237255)

Quote:

Originally posted by drexel
If the situation was reversed...then ppl would be saying how strong it was of Montoya not to lift off...As it happened..it was Michael who didn't back down and they both payed the price.

The 'chop' was legal so stop crying about it.

Gosh: a sensible comment. I don't know who you are Schumacher, but I really think it's time for your next injection. Even your idol said afterwards it was a racing accident, that Montoya shouldn't have been penalised and that F1 needs consistency in its decision making.

I'll just wait for you to now climb down and agree with TGF and share your Master's opinion. Right now, you're living on a very lonely island.

Mr V · 17 Mar 2002, 09:53 (Ref:237257)

Quote:

Originally posted by DavyboyLT1
I don't think that what the stewards did was right, by any means, but they may have been trying to equalize the time lost to the 2 of them.

but would this "equalling out" have been carried out if the roles were reversed? i personally don't think so, as the fia think that tgf can do no wrong and it's always everybody elses fault!

Don K · 17 Mar 2002, 09:55 (Ref:237259)

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Originally posted by Damon
JPM would have backed offif he was over 3/4 of a car length behind (as Schu was).

Are you sure?
As far as I remember, they were driving side by side, untill the camera moved.

Quote:

No the chop wasn't illegal but it was down right dangerous and should be made illegal.

If the rules would be changed to make it illegal to move to the right side of the track to attack the first corner, than they would have to change the starting positions so that the driver on pole position would be starting from the right side.
For this race, the result would have been exactly the same: Michael starting from the right side, Montoya coming aside (left from him), and both of them entering the first corner side by side ...

calais · 17 Mar 2002, 09:59 (Ref:237267)

i bet TGF has one radio link to his team and another to the FIA stewards.
oh,i forgot, i'm talking about the same people

DavyboyLT1 · 17 Mar 2002, 09:59 (Ref:237268)

Hey, Damon & Mr V: I agree, they should not have penalized JPM......
I'm just trying to figure out why they did (outside of the usual conspiracty theory)
I thought this silliness with the FIA favoring the red cars was going to end back when TGF won his 1st WDC for them, but it hasn't. It's too bad - it reflects poorly on the sport.

Damon · 17 Mar 2002, 10:01 (Ref:237273)

Interesting Don K, because TGF's front wheel was behind JPM's when they touched and TGF had the inside line. This means he must have been behind going into the corner.

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