Just how big is v8supertaxi's circus NOT THAT BIG

TSR · 15 Jul 2006, 10:41 (Ref:1656749)

After surfing the net today and mainly OS motorsport sites I notice a VERY big lack of V8 supertaxi news, and no links to Aussie Bernie so called best touring car racing in the world. but there were links to the DTM.
I will say that most of the sites I looked at were European based sites. But still no news on v8 supertaxi.

But my question is Is the V8 SUPERTAXI series big as what Aussie Bernie & VE$A keep telling us how big it is.?????????????????????????????????????????

peckstar · 15 Jul 2006, 11:35 (Ref:1656783)

and you ask that on an english site... interesting?

ive beeen to quite a few aussie sites and what i noticed is a complete lack of inteest in anything other than Formula one. interesting

you should go over to batracer. its a site when you can manage various car racing teams its english. you can do F1 you go do A1 you can do champ cart, you can do BTCC and you can do V8 supercar. interesting

Forda · 15 Jul 2006, 12:00 (Ref:1656801)

Not that big - perhaps that's why nobody bothers to attend races anymore, at least with the so called premier class of motor racing anyway.

Maybe that's why internet forums such as this one are nothing but a former glimpse of what they were (i.e. when 10's of threads a day were posted)

Maybe NASCAR is not what we wanted, although we were told it was what we wanted...

I'd say the current formula is as boring as it's soon to be implosion, but who really cares.

Remember Bathurst is the only race worth watching, but for what now? Who really cares?

And so it goes on...

peckstar · 15 Jul 2006, 12:27 (Ref:1656811)

you mean apart from the record crowds at most venues Forda.

i think the reason people have stopped coming to internet forums is all the pessimistic fans who bag the v8's, why would fans want to come along and put up with that.

Falcadore · 15 Jul 2006, 14:04 (Ref:1656872)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

you mean apart from the record crowds at most venues Forda.

i think the reason people have stopped coming to internet forums is all the pessimistic fans who bag the v8's, why would fans want to come along and put up with that.

Every crowd is a record crowd. The crowd this year at Winton was noticeably down, but it was still a record.

Nobody believes the crowds are records at every venue and it has gotten to the extent where it is openly ridiculed.

Dobbo89 · 15 Jul 2006, 16:36 (Ref:1656984)

No crowd record true, But I think you will find that the winton inclusion caught a fair few long distance regulars napping, or with other plans, hence the lower crowds, not the V8s. I prefered the "b-pillar" rule much more than the "look but don't touch" rule we seem to have, the spectacle is still the same, just not on TV. The only "bagging" I can do has nothing to do with the cars or series, Its just that the upcoming Bathurst 1000 will be my last for the time being because I have been priced out of it, $900, back in march, got me 2x paddock campsites and 4x four day tickets? I will continue to go to bathurst each year, but this time easter. (providing it improves on this years bimf)

Chucky · 16 Jul 2006, 03:45 (Ref:1657221)

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Originally Posted by Falcadore

Every crowd is a record crowd. The crowd this year at Winton was noticeably down, but it was still a record.

Nobody believes the crowds are records at every venue and it has gotten to the extent where it is openly ridiculed.

I reckon the crowd from the V8 round in 2000 at Winton was bigger.

TSR · 16 Jul 2006, 08:34 (Ref:1657262)

Ditto with Perth.

PVDA · 16 Jul 2006, 08:54 (Ref:1657267)

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Originally Posted by Falcadore

The crowd this year at Winton was noticeably down, but it was still a record.

Actually it was the biggest crowd they've ever had according to the track itself and not the VE$A figures.

You've got to remember with the moving of the merchandising to the cricket ground & people starting to use the spectator areas on the extension the crowd looks smaller but is actually spread out more but bigger if that makes sense. I spent the weekend driving around in the crowd and it seemed bigger to me.

FAST5LT · 15 Jul 2006, 13:18 (Ref:1656836)

I second Peckster. Too many people spend too much time putting **** on the V8SC. If it's so bad, go play golf.

D.R.T. · 17 Jul 2006, 03:07 (Ref:1657916)

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Originally Posted by FAST5.0LT

Too many people spend too much time putting **** on the V8SC. If it's so bad, go play golf.

Just a hint, motorsport or even this forum isnt V8 only. Last time I checked its made up of alot more options involving 4 tyres and steering wheels.

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Originally Posted by peckstar

maybe you too can share with us your expertise on crowd estimating?

Compared to Avesco's. You have seen the evidence Peckstar, surrounding v8 crowds.

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Originally Posted by RotorFan

What about the converse? In Australia, DTM doesn't exist. Nor does FIA GT, Le Mans, GP2, WTCC....

Yet V8 Supercars are broadcast around the world

I manage to watch all of the above in my lounge room. WHich to me suggests those categories mentioned also recieve world coverage.

RotorFan · 17 Jul 2006, 03:31 (Ref:1657921)

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Originally Posted by D.R.T.

I manage to watch all of the above in my lounge room. WHich to me suggests those categories mentioned also recieve world coverage.

Which Australian broadcaster shows any of those? I'm talking about TV here. I think maybe once or twice they've shown FIA GT on FOX, but as far as I know they don't normally.

Alan 52 · 17 Jul 2006, 03:38 (Ref:1657922)

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Originally Posted by RotorFan

Which Australian broadcaster shows any of those? I'm talking about TV here.

All but GP2 have been on Fox Sports .

Oaksnaf · 18 Jul 2006, 03:45 (Ref:1658782)

These media cover V8 Supercar news items

crash.net
motorsport.com
Autosport

And its not exactly like Australia covers the BTCC or even NASCAR down here. So I dont quite see your point. Its an Australian series with some international exposure. Even A1GP got dismall coverage in the papers when it was on, even Mnews only gave it a half a page report.

Rotor Fan, all of those series you mentioned, even GP2 Australians do have access to albiet very limited. THere are pubs with ITV satelites in Melbourne City that show GP2 everytime its on, and they show F1 qual. ESPN has a wide range of motorsports on Foxtel as does FoxSports.

The real comparison is, buy a UK magazine after a V8 round, see how much information is in it. Buy Mnews/Auto Action after a BTCC round and see how much coverage is in it. There you will see how much UK cares about our series, and how much we care about its.

racer69 · 17 Jul 2006, 04:01 (Ref:1657928)

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Originally Posted by RotorFan

Which Australian broadcaster shows any of those? I'm talking about TV here. I think maybe once or twice they've shown FIA GT on FOX, but as far as I know they don't normally.

Every round of the 2005 FIA GT, WTCC and BTCC were shown on Foxtel, i taped them all. They showed the first 6 or so rounds of last years DTM, but didn't finish the season off (they did the same with the British and American Superbikes). The 2006 versions will begin being played later in the year as is the norm (though we are rather up to date with the DTM this year).

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Originally Posted by RotorFan

Read the previous sentence.

How did the previous sentence to the one i quoted, "What about the converse? In Australia, DTM doesn't exist. Nor does FIA GT, Le Mans, GP2, WTCC...." answer what i wrote?

peckstar · 17 Jul 2006, 08:50 (Ref:1658028)

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Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Compared to Avesco's. You have seen the evidence Peckstar, surrounding v8 crowds.

no thats why i was asking i have been provided information from people who are experts.
if people have information that is different, then i am just wondering what they base it on. or is it just a gut feeling based on nothing or another attempt to slander an organisation who they continually bag and slander. just after some fact or proof

Dont pick on me, you should be questioing these people who make such unsubstantiated posts yourself or do you just randomly accept information from people who are not experts and who have reguraily shown to have a dislike of v8s, just like this whole thread that they created

Robert Ryan · 17 Jul 2006, 09:04 (Ref:1658032)

Peckstar you summed it rather well. I have been surprised how people behind the scenes in the Truck Series (one that Ambrose is racing in), know about it. They are confused if V8Supercars are "Sports Cars" or "Touring Cars" as all roadracing for oval racers in the US is "Sportscars racing". As an interviewer on the Truck Series said "Those V8Supercar's sure like banging wheels, it appears there is more banging than a whole race of Trucks,it seems like Aussie Rules, no rules at all". Also Eli Gold , the main announcer for NASCAR's MRN network expressed this when Marcos finished 3rd" The Tasmanian Devil has made his mark!!. NASCAR just did not pick someone out of the outback, this fellow has three V8Supercar Championships to his name and was a star in Formula Ford"

garbo6 · 18 Jul 2006, 15:33 (Ref:1659228)

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Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

Peckstar you summed it rather well. I have been surprised how people behind the scenes in the Truck Series (one that Ambrose is racing in), know about it. They are confused if V8Supercars are "Sports Cars" or "Touring Cars" as all roadracing for oval racers in the US is "Sportscars racing". As an interviewer on the Truck Series said "Those V8Supercar's sure like banging wheels, it appears there is more banging than a whole race of Trucks,it seems like Aussie Rules, no rules at all". Also Eli Gold , the main announcer for NASCAR's MRN network expressed this when Marcos finished 3rd" The Tasmanian Devil has made his mark!!. NASCAR just did not pick someone out of the outback, this fellow has three V8Supercar Championships to his name and was a star in Formula Ford"

Don't forget that in an early round of the year, that the commentator for the series said "Marcos Ambrose comes from the small country of Tasmania, just below Australia, but he considers himself Australian" (or something similar). It's hardly surprising that they are confused about V8 Supercars.

Aarrgh8 · 15 Jul 2006, 21:38 (Ref:1657126)

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Originally Posted by TSR

After surfing the net today and mainly OS motorsport sites I notice a VERY big lack of V8 supertaxi news, and no links to Aussie Bernie so called best touring car racing in the world. but there were links to the DTM.
I will say that most of the sites I looked at were European based sites. But still no news on v8 supertaxi.

You must have been bored. I must have been equally bored when I googled DTM, googling Australian sites only. I found plenty of stuff about Douglas Transport, Digital Terrain Mapping, etc., but had to really search before I found anything about German Touring Car racing. I don't know what this has told any of us. Maybe that German Touring Car racing isn't big in Australia, and V8 Supercars aren't big news on some OS motorsport sites - but didn't we already know that?

WebberForWDC · 16 Jul 2006, 00:59 (Ref:1657197)

Well there's really very little passion as to who wins I reckon.

With Holden not being allowed to manipulate the regulations as much even if they still have the gurney flap and superior aero etc. there isn't that passion for a Ford win I reckon as there was when Radisich and Ambrose were racing an uphill battle.

It's good that Lowndes is the best at the extremely long so-called 'sprint' races, but maybe the races drag on for too long and V8SA's formats need more starts?

No one wants a cut in races, but does running 400 km of racing each meeting cost more than doing 3 x 20 mins or 2 x 100k races? Would more starts add even more cost?

billy bigtime · 16 Jul 2006, 03:29 (Ref:1657218)

V8SC must be HUGE. I read yesterday that TC reckons it will overtake Cricket as Oz's second major sport. He feels the AFL might be a bit hard to overtake though

peckstar · 16 Jul 2006, 08:40 (Ref:1657265)

maybe you too can share with us your expertise on crowd estimating?

Falcadore · 16 Jul 2006, 13:22 (Ref:1657451)

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peckstar · 16 Jul 2006, 08:57 (Ref:1657270)

oh and only 15 mins to get out afterwards

take that PI and OP

TSR · 16 Jul 2006, 09:24 (Ref:1657286)

Going on TV pictures from CH10 Darwin crowd was down to on prevoius years.

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