Historic Sports Sedans

Peter Nightingale · 22 Oct 2007, 05:06 (Ref:2047372)

Now that sports sedans have been accepted as a catergory in Historics , what is going to come out of the garage , in the way of cars ?? .

PVDA · 22 Oct 2007, 07:19 (Ref:2047433)

I found out at the weekend that Thommo's VW has gone to god and been scraped.

Shame that.

275 GTB-4 · 22 Oct 2007, 12:34 (Ref:2047839)

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Originally Posted by PVDA

I found out at the weekend that Thommo's VW has gone to god and been scraped.

Shame that.

Seems like ages ago I recall seeing a photo of Bryan beside a rusty pile of old VW....have I missed something

PVDA · 22 Oct 2007, 22:16 (Ref:2048465)

He was racing his new toy at Calder over the weekend (VMRC) and told someone the shell was stuffed and at the time it would be near impossible to source the parts required to rebuild the car.

Peter Nightingale · 23 Oct 2007, 02:06 (Ref:2048584)

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Originally Posted by PVDA

He was racing his new toy at Calder over the weekend (VMRC) and told someone the shell was stuffed and at the time it would be near impossible to source the parts required to rebuild the car.

Nothing is impossible.......

inpitlane · 23 Oct 2007, 15:04 (Ref:2049255)

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Originally Posted by Peter Nightingale

Nothing is impossible.......

It is if they don't allow replicas. Everything from the original is gone and if you had to sacrifice another McLaren M10b to rebuild it then that'd be a disgrace.
Interesting that at the Australian Institute for Motor Sport Safety Seminar some speakers said that the Historic movements obsession with "originality" was just plain dangerous and putting history over the needs of safety was just not on in this modern environment.
Personally if the original is either:
a: Destroyed or b: Just too old and outdated to be rebuilt safely then one "certified" replica built in the spirt of the original (like Gossy did with his Falcon) should be OK.
BTW re Thommos new toy the story about it and the interview he did on tonight's In Pit Lane will be up on the latest podcast by tomorrow lunchtime.

**GTRMagic** · 24 Oct 2007, 13:01 (Ref:2050176)

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Originally Posted by 275 GTB-4

Seems like ages ago I recall seeing a photo of Bryan beside a rusty pile of old VW....have I missed something

Much nicer to remember it like....

racer69 · 25 Oct 2007, 07:01 (Ref:2050852)

How many Corvairs were there?

Did it/they survive the Grice/Gardner split?

db120176 - Wasn't Ward's Monaro the ex-Bob Jane one?

Amonfan · 25 Oct 2007, 07:11 (Ref:2050859)

Racer69, Ward's Monaro was the ex jane car, later run by Tino Leo..
There were 2 Corvairs to my knowledge, the Gardner/Grice version and the Les Swalllow 4 door version...

mildura1963 · 22 Oct 2007, 10:30 (Ref:2047657)

The article in Auto Action mentions Edmonson's Alfa, Jim Richards Falcon, McCormack's XJS & Charger & Janes Monaro.............

BRUT33 · 24 Oct 2007, 05:07 (Ref:2049857)

and if the current owners of cars such as Moffats Mustang and Janes Repco-Torana choose not to race the originals, then they should be able to build replicas to preserve their cars

Peter Nightingale · 24 Oct 2007, 05:20 (Ref:2049859)

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Originally Posted by BRUT33

and if the current owners of cars such as Moffats Mustang and Janes Repco-Torana choose not to race the originals, then they should be able to build replicas to preserve their cars

NO, NO, & A BIG NO....

johnny yuma · 24 Oct 2007, 07:08 (Ref:2049894)

Was Moffats Mustang ever a Sports Sedan? (apart from the fact it was always a sports sedan !! )

BlueMax · 24 Oct 2007, 07:25 (Ref:2049908)

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Originally Posted by johnny yuma

Was Moffats Mustang ever a Sports Sedan? (apart from the fact it was always a sports sedan !! )

Yes 1973,1974 and early 1975 before the Capri came

Peter Nightingale · 24 Oct 2007, 07:31 (Ref:2049916)

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Originally Posted by BlueMax

Yes 1973,1974 and early 1975 before the Capri came

The Capri also was also a s/s.......

Camaroz · 24 Oct 2007, 11:38 (Ref:2050117)

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Originally Posted by BRUT33

and if the current owners of cars such as Moffats Mustang and Janes Repco-Torana choose not to race the originals, then they should be able to build replicas to preserve their cars

I am talking about cars that are "lost"!

The Moffat Mustang, whilst ran in SS, was always an "Improved Tourer" that turned into a SS. You cannot have two cars!!!!!

The Jane Torana is an interesting case!

If the current owner (Willy) wanted to present the car as the original Jane Torana he would need a 4.4 Repco. If he wanted to present the car as Frank Gardner (chopped it up) raced it (still BJRT), it would have to run a 5Lt Chev, regardless, as the car still exists, nominate the year and present it as such, Ian Diffen etc, etc.

Harrop's EH, as the yellow 6 Cyl, BJRT Repco powered or the Wayne Mahnken 6 Cyl Turbo or the Stewie Douglas Turbo with the wing????? As the car still exists, nominate your configeration!

johnny yuma · 24 Oct 2007, 12:34 (Ref:2050160)

Would that recent recreation of Brock's A30 get a guernsey ??

Random cars--Harry Lefoe's V8 Hillman Imp
Any of Barry Sharp's creations
Frank Ure's Torana/P76 recent MCM show n shine
Bill Warner's 7 litre 57 Chev
The late Terry Hook's FJ Lightweight.
One of the "big" minis-Leffler,Manticas et al.
James Smith's Rover V8
A Hollowed out Anglia driven by a drunken maniac (PLENTY OF CHOICE THERE)

inpitlane · 24 Oct 2007, 12:59 (Ref:2050174)

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Originally Posted by johnny yuma

Would that recent recreation of Brock's A30 get a guernsey ??

Random cars--Harry Lefoe's V8 Hillman Imp
Any of Barry Sharp's creations
Frank Ure's Torana/P76 recent MCM show n shine
Bill Warner's 7 litre 57 Chev
The late Terry Hook's FJ Lightweight.
One of the "big" minis-Leffler,Manticas et al.
James Smith's Rover V8
A Hollowed out Anglia driven by a drunken maniac (PLENTY OF CHOICE THERE)

Barry Sharp's Jaguar is in the Jag car club rooms in Springvale, Don't know if it's a runner though.
My additionsw to the list.
David Robertson's Capri and Jim Keogh's ex Tubby Ritter Capri

Dasher · 30 Oct 2007, 11:11 (Ref:2054781)

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Originally Posted by Camaroz

I am talking about cars that are "lost"!

Harrop's EH, as the yellow 6 Cyl, BJRT Repco powered or the Wayne Mahnken 6 Cyl Turbo or the Stewie Douglas Turbo with the wing????? As the car still exists, nominate your configeration!

Stewie Douglas Turbo with the wing????? Victoria

Peter Nightingale · 31 Oct 2007, 02:37 (Ref:2055537)

If anyone is interested , the FOMOCO Moffat mk1 FVA/C powered Escort has been un earthed....

cavvy · 31 Oct 2007, 20:55 (Ref:2056279)

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Originally Posted by Peter Nightingale

If anyone is interested , the FOMOCO Moffat mk1 FVA/C powered Escort has been un earthed....

More info pls.

Camaroz · 31 Oct 2007, 21:00 (Ref:2056283)

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Originally Posted by Peter Nightingale

If anyone is interested , the FOMOCO Moffat mk1 FVA/C powered Escort has been un earthed....

Thats the car that caught fire in Asia?

Is it here, Asia or Europe? Was it an Allan Mann car?

Camaroz · 31 Oct 2007, 21:03 (Ref:2056284)

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Originally Posted by Dasher

Stewie Douglas Turbo with the wing????? Victoria

That is where the EH now resides. It went from Harrop to David Inall/Wayne Mahnken then to Stewie Douglas (Taz Douglas's Dad!)

Steve Holmes · 1 Nov 2007, 00:50 (Ref:2056470)

The Moffat Capri RS is now in NZ owned by Mike John, as mentioned by Camaroz. This is a '74 works car.

The Paul Fahey '73 works Capri is now owned by Roger Townshend, in Christchurch. This car came fitted when new with a pushrod motor, which Fahey won the 1974 0-4200cc NZ Saloon Car Championship with. For the '75 season, he fitted a quad-cam motor, the same as that fitted to Moffats car, and won the NZ Saloon Car Championship outright, beating all the V8s. Townshend has tracked down both engines. After Fahey sold it, it was later fitted with a small block Chevy. Townshend has just begun a major restoration job on the Fahey Capri, which will be reunited with the quad-cam.

The pushrod motor has been fitted to a '72 works RS Capri, which Townshend also owns. I think he found this car in Perth, with no motor.

The Sidchrome Mustang is owned by George Shewiery, who purchased it as a young guy from Jerry Clayton, when it first returned to NZ after JRs Falcon Hardtop SS was finally finished.

Both the PDL Mustang I, and PDL Mustang II are in the South Island. Steve Ross owns PDL I and had it restored about 5 years ago. PDL II is still owned by the Stewart family, who used to own PDL Electrical. It is brought out once or twice a year and raced at historic meetings. With no mufflers! Also has the huge tall rear aerofoil, as fitted for the Open Saloon Challenge races of 1979.

The Bruce Carey V8 Capri is also in Christchurch, still owned and raced by Evan Munt. Evan is the son of the late Ian Munt, who, when living in Sydney, purchased the Capri off Carey in the early '70s. It is still fitted with the Mawer wheels it had on it when Carey built it.

Ummm, what else. The Red Dawson Kensington Carpets '70 Camaro is now owned by Kelvin Towns in Dunedin. The Jimmy Stone built V8 McLaren powered Vauxhaull Victor of Jack Nazer is still owned by the guy who bought it from Nazer in the early '80s. Still has its Cossack livery from the 1978/79 seasons.

My good friend Tony Boyden owns the '67 Camaro which Rod Coppins won the 1970 NZ Saloon Car Championship with, and which John Osbourne won the 1980 OSCA championship with. The Brent Bullivant V8 Capri is now owned and raced by Jeff Barnes. Bullivant maintained Jim Richards' Falcon Hardtop SS. Richards drove the Bullivant Capri on a couple of occassions.

The Art McKee, King built Chevy Monza is now in Aus, and is being restored. Damn, what is the name of the guy who is restoring it? The Coppins '69 Firebird Trans-Am car is being restored. The Joe Chamberlain/Dennis Marwood '69 Trans-Am Camaro is nearly ready to race again after a big restoration. The Fahey '66 Trans-Am Mustang, Dexter Dunlop/Kevin Haig etc '67 Trans-Am Mustang, and Red Dawson '67 Trans-Am Mustang are all owned by David Bowden.

The Fahey works Escort FVA which won the '71 NZ Saloon Car Champs is in Christchurch.

The Graeme Addis V8 Charger, which had the engine in the back, and the driver adjustable rear wing, and ground effects, is still owned by Addis.

Thats just a few cars from the late '60s and '70s, from NZs history. I have heaps of photos, but for some reason the Ten-tenths posting rules won't allow me to post attachments.

db120176 · 24 Oct 2007, 07:53 (Ref:2049932)

Phil Ward's Monaro please

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