2023 RSC Silly Season (WITH POLL)

[GTRMagic]

It will come along soon enough... the move to Gen3 will provide movement... in pilots, in engineering resource, in team continuity, in manufacturer swaps potentially... a place to plonk the playtime..

[bathurst77]

TOO SOON MY MAN!
TOO SOON!

[one five five]

Any teams going to switch from Ford to Chevy? Or are any Holden teams going to choose Ford over Chevy?

[Sandgroper]

Any other Manufacturers? Im guessing no ?

Pity

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

Any other Manufacturers? Im guessing no ?

Pity

Gen3 seems to have been designed specifically around getting the Camaro in and making sure the Mustang looks like a Mustang. Seamer also said only V8s are welcome going forward.

I can’t imagine many manufacturers will be interested because of the “V8 only” rule alone.

It seems like Gen3 was only ever just a cart to get a Camaro in no matter what, even the cost cuts lost out (if you believe the talk)

[Casper]

Originally Posted by one five five

Gen3 seems to have been designed specifically around getting the Camaro in and making sure the Mustang looks like a Mustang. Seamer also said only V8s are welcome going forward.

I can’t imagine many manufacturers will be interested because of the “V8 only” rule alone.

It seems like Gen3 was only ever just a cart to get a Camaro in no matter what, even the cost cuts lost out (if you believe the talk)

It will be interesting in the years to come when both SC and NASCAR work out that when V8's bite the dust and are no longer relevant in the market place both series will have a major problem. Saying "never" nearly always bites you back, the fact that the series is built around two cars one of which seems to have a short term expiry date will present problems in the not too distant future. I know that the motors are not production based but if the series becomes irrelevant due to the equipment used it will die a slow death. Some would say that slow death has already started, I am not sure about that but statements such as Seamer is spouting might accelerate its demise, talk about opening his mouth to change feet!!

[Umai Naa]

Development costs will go down, but the parts costings compared to now, are a bit of an unknown. Are the teams making their own, to the prescribed specs, or are they buying them in?

[Denosaur]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Development costs will go down, but the parts costings compared to now, are a bit of an unknown. Are the teams making their own, to the prescribed specs, or are they buying them in?

Anything that has been tendered, is to be built to a spec for the teams to buy.

I don't think development budgets will get swiped out completely...other than some of the bespoke parts some of teams might have been making.

Plus sooner or later someone will find part of the car that is free and able to be developed...

[gomick]

Toyota should enter the Camry, just like in NASCAR...

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by gomick

Toyota should enter the Camry, just like in NASCAR...

yep why not, more the merrier.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by gomick

Toyota should enter the Camry, just like in NASCAR...

Let's hear the business case for that. Just because Toyota US can make it work there does not translate to making it work here. The market for V8 cars in Oz is dead apart from a few bespoke imports from the US and the very few from Europe which are rapidly disappearing.

[Denosaur]

Originally Posted by Casper

The market for V8 cars in Oz is dead apart from a few bespoke imports from the US and the very few from Europe which are rapidly disappearing.

There's never been a V8 fitted to a Camry anywhere around the world, sold through a dealership, but Toyota off the back of their entry in the Truck series with the Tundra made the move up to Cup series. They've kept the Camry in Cup, changed the Xfinity series to Supra and have kept the formula the same.

You don't see a V8 in a Supra in a showroom, but they know how to leverage the marketing from the racing in series.

Same goes here, any halfwit without a marketing degree can say it won't work. But a halfwit with a marketing degree, supreme knowledge of the demographics at the track, and with a well thought out plan could sell ice to the eskimo's.

We are being told that the V8 market is dead for road cars because of emissions, polar bears running out of icebergs to suck on and some little girl in Europe having a tantrum. Which is all fair enough, I don't disagree with all of that (except tantrums, kids need discipline). But motorsport makes up how much of emissions?? We don't race every day, nor every of the 52 weekends we have a year. With the right "V8 only" formula, sustainable fuels, hybrid power, eco tyre compounds, solar offsets, reduce food wastage racing product, people could still enjoy racing in some shape or form and choose to drive that product of the manufacture.

We need group therapy to get over this whole it needs to look like this and have this in the showroom and then be the same on track.

The cardinal sin was putting a Ford engine in a Chevy or vice-versa, but now that would be deemed putting a ICE in an Electric vehicle. I wouldn't be expecting any manufacture to do something like that.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Denosaur

You don't see a V8 in a Supra in a showroom, but they know how to leverage the marketing from the racing in series.

That's all fine, but there is no reason an Australian touring car can not or should not have a turbocharged six cylinder engine.



Yes Supra and Z (and BMW M4 and Audi RS5) could race with V8 engines, but I think it would be best if they raced with V6/I6 twin-turbos for the purposes of *variety* and staying true to the conventions of touring car racing. (Albeit the Supra could be running the Lexus LS500 engine, the actual Toyota V6 twin-turbo, rather than the BMW engine, or otherwise the Supra and M4 could both use the same BMW engine -- either way .)

Originally Posted by Denosaur

With the right "V8 only" formula

Are you implying the new 4-cylinder hybrid Mercedes C63 AMG is not an improvement on the old V8 model?!

[Denosaur]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

That's all fine, but there is no reason an Australian touring car can not or should not have a turbocharged six cylinder engine.



Yes Supra and Z (and BMW M4 and Audi RS5) could race with V8 engines, but I think it would be best if they raced with V6/I6 twin-turbos for the purposes of *variety* and staying true to the conventions of touring car racing. (Albeit the Supra could be running the Lexus LS500 engine, the actual Toyota V6 twin-turbo, rather than the BMW engine, or otherwise the Supra and M4 could both use the same BMW engine -- either way .)



Are you implying the new 4-cylinder hybrid Mercedes C63 AMG is not an improvement on the old V8 model?!

Can we please move on from this obsession with a production based formula?? You want to play production car racing, by all means feel free to do so. But when you're suppose to be the peak racing category in the country, being able to service and repair your race cars quickly between rounds, along with building them, you can't rely on a production vehicle. Did you ever see how much a team would butcher a shell from either Holden or Ford??
They keep talking about how Gen2 made it cheap and easier to repair, and now they claim the same with Gen 3. Emphasis on the cheaper and quicker part, plus we don't have production lines of cars to source parts from locally, so they would be at the mercy of the international shipping.

As for your 4-pot AMG, whatever, honestly couldn't give two s$$t's. I'm happy to watch anything with entertainment value, along with close racing and multiple lead changes. If I wanted to watch production car racing, I would get a chair and go sit out on the main road.

Is it Garry Rogers that says all you get from looking back is a sore neck??

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Are you implying the new 4-cylinder hybrid Mercedes C63 AMG is not an improvement on the old V8 model?!

it absolutely, categorically is not.

Numbers on a dyno sheet don't excite me in isolation, but when they come with awesome sound and vibration it becomes compelling.

The 2L in the A45 is a remarkable piece of engineering but it sounds like ****.

For the lebs and teenagers that think a crackle map on a Golf R isn't quite annoying enough.

[Sandgroper]

SO is Boost coming or going 2023?

Intersting times.

[Just Do It!]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

SO is Boost coming or going 2023?

Intersting times.

Is it white or yellow?

[Casper]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

SO is Boost coming or going 2023?

Intersting times.

Why do you doubt what you can read, it seems clear cut to me.

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by Casper

Why do you doubt what you can read, it seems clear cut to me.

Sometimes I wonder if its all about media Hype thats all

Time will tell i guess.

[Kingair]

The Australian politician, will have us all sitting in the dark freezing our tits off.

Meanwhile in the third world countries they are breeding like rabbits, everyone turns a blind eye to coal being used in Europe, or that China and India can heat up the world.

Looking forward to watching the World Series Electric Sprintcars, hopefully Greta could be a grid girl!

[GTRMagic]

Meantime... with the open seats... who from the current crop of interlopers might be taking them up...

If you believe the stories there might just be:
- 1x seat in a BJR prepared Chev
- 1x seat in a TBR prepared Ford
- 1x seat in a T18 prepared Chev
- 1x seat in a GR prepared Ford
- 1x seat in a Tickford prepared Ford
- 2x seats in PremiAir prepared Chevs

Any more possible moves.. ?

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Meantime... with the open seats... who from the current crop of interlopers might be taking them up...

If you believe the stories there might just be:
- 1x seat in a BJR prepared Chev
- 1x seat in a TBR prepared Ford
- 1x seat in a T18 prepared Chev
- 1x seat in a GR prepared Ford
- 1x seat in a Tickford prepared Ford
- 2x seats in PremiAir prepared Chevs

Any more possible moves.. ?

Maybe a seat for Richie (dependant on Bathurst drive)
Couthard surely somewhere?
Is Jacobson gone forever?

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

- 2x seats in PremiAir prepared Chevs

Is there not a Slade signature on one of those?

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Is there not a Slade signature on one of those?

I think your correct.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Is there not a Slade signature on one of those?

Not at MSR?