2008 US Superbike...

**gomick** · 8 Mar 2008, 22:43 (Ref:2147135)

Round 1 - Daytona...

Superbike Qualifying

1 Mathew Mladin Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:35.760
2 Ben Spies Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:35.967
3 Tommy Hayden Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:36.061
4 Jason Disalvo Yamaha YZF-R1 1:36.341
5 Eric Bostrom Yamaha YZF-R1 1:36.611
6 Jamie A. Hacking Kawasaki ZX-10R 1:36.785
7 Roger Hayden Kawasaki Ninja ZX-10R 1:36.886
8 Aaron W. Yates Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:37.553
9 Miguel Duhamel Honda CBR1000RR 1:37.682
10 Neil Hodgson Honda CBR1000RR 1:38.424

Supersport Qualifying

1 Ben D. Bostrom Yamaha YZF-R6 1:40.346
2 Josh Herrin Yamaha YZF-R6 1:40.754
3 Chaz Davies Kawasaki ZX-6R 1:40.819
4 Joshua Hayes Honda CBR600RR 1:40.884
5 Roger Hayden Kawasaki ZX-6R 1:41.143
6 Blake R. Young Suzuki GSX-R600 1:41.206
7 Steve Rapp Kawasaki ZX-6R 1:41.348
8 Martin Cardenas Suzuki GSX-R600 1:41.464
9 Jake P. Zemke Honda CBR600RR 1:41.518
10 Shea D. Fouchek Honda CBR600RR 1:41.861
11 Tommy Hayden Suzuki GSX-R600 1:42.113
12 Aaron Gobert Honda CBR600RR 1:42.147

FX 600 Qualifying - Daytona 200 (69 riders

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1 Neil Hodgson Honda CBR600RR 1:39.347
2 Chaz Davies Kawasaki ZX-6R 1:39.436
3 Steve Rapp Kawasaki ZX-6R 1:39.779
4 Miguel Duhamel Honda CBR600RR 1:39.836
5 Joshua Hayes Honda CBR600RR 1:39.879
6 Jake P. Zemke Honda CBR600RR 1:39.967
7 Michael F. Barnes Suzuki GSX-R600 1:40.431
8 Aaron Gobert Honda CBR600RR 1:40.469
9 Martin Cardenas Suzuki GSX-R600 1:40.661
10 Larry Pegram Ducati 848 1:41.003

Superstock Qualifying

1 Aaron W. Yates Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:38.231
2 Geoff May Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:38.287
3 Michael F. Barnes Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:38.321
4 Blake R. Young Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:38.548
5 Chris Peris Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:38.761
6 Jeff K. Wood Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:39.300
7 Ben Thompson Suzuki GSX-R750 1:39.530
8 Chris Ulrich Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:39.701
9 Robertino Pietri Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:39.826
10 Jake Holden Honda CBR1000RR 1:40.209

**gomick** · 8 Mar 2008, 23:00 (Ref:2147145)

Supersport Results/Points

1 Ben D. Bostrom - 37
2 Josh Herrin - 33
3 Roger Hayden - 29
4 Chaz Davies - 27
5 Blake R. Young - 26
6 Martin Cardenas - 25
7 Steve Rapp - 24
8 Jake P. Zemke - 23
9 Tommy Hayden - 22
10 Danny C. Eslick - 21
11 Bobby Fong - 20
12 Aaron Gobert - 19

FX 600 Results/Points - Daytona 200... Hodgson had mechanical in p2 on lap 41, Duhamel DQ'd for changing bike during race...

1 Joshua Hayes - 37
2 Chaz Davies - 32
3 Steve Rapp - 29
4 Larry Pegram - 27
5 Martin Cardenas - 26
6 Richard Cooper - 25 BMW

7 Brian D. Parriott - 24 BMW

8 Bobby Fong - 23
9 Bostjan Skubic - 22
10 Steve Atlas - 21

Superstock Results/Points

1 Aaron W. Yates - 37
2 Blake R. Young - 33
3 Geoff May - 29
4 Chris Ulrich - 27
5 Chris Peris - 26
6 Michael F. Barnes - 25
7 Hawk Mazzotta - 24
8 Robertino Pietri - 23
9 Jeff K. Wood - 22
10 Scott Jensen - 21

chunder · 9 Mar 2008, 14:02 (Ref:2147512)

Erm US honda and Hayes disqualified for using a modified crankshaft

Oh dear, big mistake from the team that ahve made the 200 into the world most pointless race that only Americans care about!

jhansen · 10 Mar 2008, 16:13 (Ref:2148458)

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Originally Posted by chunder

Oh dear, big mistake from the team that ahve made the 200 into the world most pointless race that only Americans care about!

You probably think the Suzuka 8 hour is crap to...

**gomick** · 10 Mar 2008, 00:14 (Ref:2147884)

amazing how that can happen - should someone get sacked??? so now the englishman gets the win, good for him

mat mladin got the superbike race win from ben spies... neil hodgson finished 7th, 34 seconds ahead of miguel duhamel

jhansen · 10 Mar 2008, 16:11 (Ref:2148455)

I'm no Duhamel fan, and I don't think he should be on the factory team, but his low position is due to a low side. He did manage to finish though.

The supersport and superstock races were epic.

Superbike was crap per usual. Yamaha wont be able to close the gap and Honda and Kawasaki are stuck developing brand new bikes.

Gerben24 · 10 Mar 2008, 16:18 (Ref:2148461)

Is Ben Spies only competing in SBK this year? Wasn't he doing WSS last year as well?

Where did those BMW's come from?

Mladin beating Spies huh? Not bad for such an old man. It doesn't do Spies his reputation any good!

jhansen · 10 Mar 2008, 16:25 (Ref:2148467)

Yes, Spies will only run Superbike plus the Moto GP wild card races.

Spies botched the start and that was that. Spies did run about three laps in a row quicker than Mladin, but then gave it back with an error. Race done. The two of them run such close lap times that once a gap is established it's pretty much over. Tommy Hayden had a great start, but then ran wide shortly after. Hope he wins a few this year.

And no, I don't think Spies loses any luster when he finishes second to Mladin. That guy is freaking awesome. Too bad we can't see him running against the likes of Haga and Bayliss.

BMW ran a few bikes in FX for the 200. Not sure if that will continue during the season or not.

Gerben24 · 11 Mar 2008, 10:10 (Ref:2149010)

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Originally Posted by jhansen

Yes, Spies will only run Superbike plus the Moto GP wild card races.

Spies botched the start and that was that. Spies did run about three laps in a row quicker than Mladin, but then gave it back with an error. Race done. The two of them run such close lap times that once a gap is established it's pretty much over. Tommy Hayden had a great start, but then ran wide shortly after. Hope he wins a few this year.

And no, I don't think Spies loses any luster when he finishes second to Mladin. That guy is freaking awesome. Too bad we can't see him running against the likes of Haga and Bayliss.

I don't know about Mladin, I always thought he was racing for the wrong reasons. It's difficult for me to judge ofcourse. The reason I doubt Mladin is because Hayden beat him in only his second season. Again I don't know the circumstances he lost the championship to Nicky, but I suppose it has cast my opinion of him.

It's a bit dissapointing Spies has chosen to compete in AMA again. It's coming across as a safe choice, after Suzuki have shown so much interest in him to ride for them in Motogp, it's like he's almost assured of a place in that class. It would have been great to see him race in WSBK, so he could show his true colours and learn some of the tracks Motogp is racing at as well.

jhansen · 11 Mar 2008, 15:22 (Ref:2149211)

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Originally Posted by Gerben24

I don't know about Mladin, I always thought he was racing for the wrong reasons. It's difficult for me to judge ofcourse. The reason I doubt Mladin is because Hayden beat him in only his second season. Again I don't know the circumstances he lost the championship to Nicky, but I suppose it has cast my opinion of him.

It's a bit dissapointing Spies has chosen to compete in AMA again. It's coming across as a safe choice, after Suzuki have shown so much interest in him to ride for them in Motogp, it's like he's almost assured of a place in that class. It would have been great to see him race in WSBK, so he could show his true colours and learn some of the tracks Motogp is racing at as well.

Mladin may well be in it for the wrong reasons, but that doesn't mean he can't ride. I've seen him in person many times, he's at 110% from the first lap of practice to the last lap of the race. Btw, Hayden did run some superbike races in 2000.

As for Spies not running Moto GP this year, he already had a contract in place with Yoshimura Suzuki from well back. Now I know on the surface you'd think he could have gone straight to Moto GP with Suzuki's blessing, but maybe not. Yoshimura have strong pull. And maybe Rizla Suzuki didn't want to run Spies with Vermeulen just yet. Tough to know.

2000yellow360 · 10 May 2008, 14:25 (Ref:2198287)

Yosh kept him here, and they signed Capirossi for a 1 year deal, however, if he gets 3rd, he gets another ride. Look for Ben to run MotoGP next year for Suzuki, I suspect.

Art

chunder · 10 Mar 2008, 17:52 (Ref:2148524)

Sorry J, I do like endurace races with two riders and strategy etc, but teh 200 is basically a flat out race with tyre and fuel stops thrown in because the bikes cant go that long!

Proper endurance racing at night is a huge skill and one to be into.

And come on, Suzuka is only relevant to the Japanese makers, no one else really gives a stuff!! Even most of the big time riders hate it!

jhansen · 10 Mar 2008, 18:16 (Ref:2148547)

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Originally Posted by chunder

And come on, Suzuka is only relevant to the Japanese makers, no one else really gives a stuff!! Even most of the big time riders hate it!

Exactly. And the 200 is a big race for us. Doesn't make it a bad thing at all. It is what it is. Hopefully, as rumored, it will be a superbike race again.

chunder · 10 Mar 2008, 20:14 (Ref:2148637)

I guess the diff with Suzuka is that its a proper endurnace race really. The only different thing with the 200 used to be guys like Lawson, Fogarty, Russell going along and racing on the banking,

You dont get that at all now so its lost its appeal

Maybe with the Superbikes back it might be possible for the big makes to entice a superbike or GP rider to the race

chunder · 11 Mar 2008, 17:01 (Ref:2149259)

One the main reasons for many riders staying in the US or even going over there to race is money. The top AMA riders earn huge salaries, probably only matched by teh top few GP riders.

Mladin is so in tune with teh AMA series, in relaity the only guy who can realistically challenge him apart from Spies is Duhamel coz he has so much knowledge and set up experience of the AMA tracks.

Hayden only really beat Mat coz Mladin was on the worst 750 at the time, was early 2000's I think and Suzuki made an utterly useless 750 when they were trying to push teh awful TL1000, was an atrocious bike really, even Chili coudn tget anywhere on it.

AMA is comfort zone in a way, but its not easy unless you are on a Yosh bike!! Even then you ahve to beat Mat or Spies, look at how awful Tommy Hayden has been??

jhansen · 11 Mar 2008, 17:07 (Ref:2149263)

Tommy Hayden has a lot to prove this year. He was not near 100% health last year and found the Suzuki to be completely different to what he's used to. Mat and Ben both ride the front extremely hard, and Tommy couldn't ride it that way. He finally got a new fork and started to get happier. He showed some good pace during Daytona. He was second behind Mladin when he went wide into 2 trying for the lead. That was that. If he can't win some races this year I think he'll be in trouble for 2009.

**gomick** · 12 Mar 2008, 07:54 (Ref:2149755)

Matt Mladin had a shocker in 02 by his standards & Nicky Hayden was the young gun just passing through on his way to a Moto GP world title in 06. Pity they didnt have head to head battles that year, but they did in 01...

2002 Championship Standings

1 Nicky Hayden - 488
2 Eric Bostrom - 451
3 Miguel Duhamel - 381
4 Pascal Picotte - 350
5 Aaron Yates - 345
6 Brian Parriot - 308
7 Mathew Mladin - 300
8 Doug Chandler - 294
9 Brian Livengood - 294
10 Jamie Hacking - 260

Gerben24 · 12 Mar 2008, 08:20 (Ref:2149766)

Educate me please: in those 2001 head to head battles, who came across as the stronger rider, Hayden or Mladin? Was Hayden head and shoulders above the likes of Duhamel?

What should we expect of Spies in Motogp on a non-American track? I don't see him being very competitive straight out of the blocks, but I've been wrong (many times) before...

**gomick** · 12 Mar 2008, 10:19 (Ref:2149842)

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Originally Posted by Gerben24

Educate me please: in those 2001 head to head battles, who came across as the stronger rider, Hayden or Mladin? Was Hayden head and shoulders above the likes of Duhamel?

i should've mentioned 2000 aswell... Mladin beat Hayden by 5 points that year in which it was Nicky's 1st year on the Superbike, Duhamel was injured (finished 10th) - think the Honda was a better bike but the Mladin experience got him over the line....

in 2001 Nicky had a few costly crashes from memory & finished 3rd behind Mladin & Eric Bostrom, Duhamel came 5th - Nicky well & truly had Miguels measure, though Duhamel was probably sore from crashing

i would agree with you on Ben Spies probably not being overly-competitive... i dont think the suzuki will be good enough for him & it will be hard jumping on a machine & into a series like Moto GP where his rivals have been racing at that level all season...

chunder · 12 Mar 2008, 10:41 (Ref:2149871)

You also gotta remember that the RC51 was not that quick off the bat, especially on Dunlops. The bike was designed pretty much to run on Michelins.

Even the 8H bikes ran on Michelin which is rare in Japan.

I think the late GSXR750's were really not that competitive, its amazing that Mladin won any titles wikth one to be honest, but then again I would sugest that the Yosh bikes were probably the qquickest outside of Japan.

Remember also that Ryo and Kitagawa were right on the pace in Sugo and Jappan

**gomick** · 12 Mar 2008, 10:47 (Ref:2149880)

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Originally Posted by chunder

You also gotta remember that

its bloody hard to remember that far back

jhansen · 16 Apr 2008, 23:58 (Ref:2179393)

Yep, healthy times in the AMA Superbike series...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Apr/080415x.htm

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Apr/080415h4x.htm

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Apr/080415-brea.htm

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Apr/080416a.htm

Yes chunder, those are links. You might even try reading them!

In short, the NASCAR boys now have control of AMA Pro Racing. And you guessed it, they want to follow the NASCAR mold. They are contemplating scraping the 1000cc superbike class and replacing it with Formula Xtreme. They'll add their Moto ST series, which is a three tier power to weight ratio series that runs outdated bikes. Moto ST also has rolling starts and longer races. Spec tires and spec fuel are also being considered. The death of the 1000cc superbike class is not for certain, but it doesn't look good. Suzuki are ****ed. Yamaha don't know what to do, and we have yet to hear from Kawi and Honda. More to come out at Barber.

racer69 · 17 Apr 2008, 07:27 (Ref:2179527)

Pretty brave decision if they go with it.

Gerben24 · 17 Apr 2008, 08:47 (Ref:2179575)

Pretty stupid decision if they go with it.

racer69 · 18 Apr 2008, 03:55 (Ref:2180338)

Daytona Superbikes

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Apr/080417a.htm

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