Lap records

[D.R.T.]

The following article by the exceptional James Phelps seems to paint Craig Lowndes as the current 'lap record' holder at Mount Panorama

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/spo...-1225936205055

It appears that Phelps despite his wealth of motorsport knowledge doesn't understand that no one can set a lap record during practice sessions.

Jamie Whincup is the current lap record holder with a 2:08:4651 in 2007.

What great coverage the Telegraph is providing for V8SA

[mayhem]

Wowww.....

[Muznik]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

The following article by the exceptional James Phelps seems to paint Craig Lowndes as the current 'lap record' holder at Mount Panorama

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/spo...-1225936205055

It appears that Phelps despite his wealth of motorsport knowledge doesn't understand that no one can set a lap record during practice sessions.

Jamie Whincup is the current lap record holder with a 2:08:4651 in 2007.

What great coverage the Telegraph is providing for V8SA

Pfffftttt...

If you had asked anyone last week who held the lap record they would have answered Greg Murphy.

Lowndes has the record as far as the major % of fans are concerned.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Muznik

If you had asked anyone last week who held the lap record they would have answered Greg Murphy.
Lowndes has the record as far as the major % of fans are concerned.

Is this not a poor reflection on the sport if the majority of its following doesn't understand its rules?

[Muznik]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Is this not a poor reflection on the sport if the majority of its following doesn't understand its rules?

Nope its just a reflection of people who dont want to recognize an execptional effort. The majority of followers dont need to be told thru an official rule who holds the quickest lap, they know the truth.

Did you not watch the telecast today ?

The commentary team must of mentioned Lowndes lap a dozen times.
Funny no one mentioned Whincup's lap once.

The inteviewed Murph on his thoughts, never asked Jamie.

[Southern Man]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Is this not a poor reflection on the sport if the majority of its following doesn't understand its rules?

Agree, the sport does not do enough to make some of its fundimental and long standing world wide rules and principles known to its followers.

Lap records are set in races, fastest lap of the circuit can be set anytime including during private testing

However, Bathurst is something special and we all acknowledge who is the fastest no matter when or how it is achieved.

Can anyone recall what speed the late Roger Freeth recorded down Conrod on the McIntosh Suzuki and has it been beaten? That is something else we should be honouring when we talk about men and the mountain

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Southern Man

Agree, the sport does not do enough to make some of its fundimental and long standing world wide rules and principles known to its followers.

So very true - as with all things V8SA there is more focus on hype than sporting substance.

[Muznik]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

So very true - as with all things V8SA there is more focus on hype than sporting substance.

What's the weather like up there DRT ??

Are you saying there is no sporting substance to Lowndes' achievment?

GTRMagic explained the lap record situation.

Obviously motorsport is not for you. How can you not appreciate a driver doing the quickest lap ever around one of the world's most demanding circuits?

[Just Do It!]

Originally Posted by Southern Man

Can anyone recall what speed the late Roger Freeth recorded down Conrod on the McIntosh Suzuki and has it been beaten? That is something else we should be honouring when we talk about men and the mountain

No I can't, but speaking of honouring, I am pretty sure it is Rodger Freeth.

Now there was a super-bright bloke with a really funny personality who knew how to party. Rodger + Jack Daniels = Supreme Entertainment.

[Falcadore]

Originally Posted by Muznik

Pfffftttt...

If you had asked anyone last week who held the lap record they would have answered Greg Murphy.

Lowndes has the record as far as the major % of fans are concerned.

The general public also believe Pluto to be a planet and they believe Multiple Personality Disorder is Schizophrenia, and the end of the millenium was the year 2000 and that the first of the Bathurst enduros occurred in 1963. Just because the general public believe something, doesn't make it true.

Mythbusters has made a very successful television program about deconstructing myths and misconceptions. Do you want to perpetuate the myths, or spread the truth?

[PVDA]

Was Murf's record lap done in a Practice or Qualifying session??

[sizzle]

Originally Posted by PVDA

Was Murf's record lap done in a Practice or Qualifying session??

Shoot out

[GTRMagic]

Perhaps Mr Phelps was not clear, there are 2 lap records for the main game at Bathurst according to Natsoft, one is the practice lap record which includes all the practice, qualifying and shootout sessions, two is the race lap record

natsoft is technically correct in calling these out, and they appear on the timing screens all weekend

[Fast Ford]

Considering the way Supercars has evolved, Murphy would have probably though his lap time may never have been surpassed, the limitations on tyres being the main one, but I guess that even with limits to mechanical grip, realistically it had to happen.

Doesn't matter about what rules exist or not, all laps that are timed count, of course race laps are held separately to the rest.

[Woolley]

I think in pretty much any category, lap records (or course records in speed events)only count in a competitive event, although venues may sometimes quote an outright course record which happens at other times. Most F1 venues over the years have cars going much faster in qualifying but it's never given as the lap record.

[Falcadore]

Originally Posted by Woolley

I think in pretty much any category, lap records (or course records in speed events)only count in a competitive event, although venues may sometimes quote an outright course record which happens at other times. Most F1 venues over the years have cars going much faster in qualifying but it's never given as the lap record.

Wooley: the majority of times I've seen the phrase outright lap record - it's used when all different categories of racing car are combined to get a fastest ever race lap. At the majority of the big circuits in Europe its usually the Formula One race lap record, if F1 has raced there. Old Spa-Francorchamps though the outright lap record is a Group C Sports Car lap, but still a racing lap, they continued racing the old Spa well after F1 left for Nivelles and Zolder.

[Woolley]

Originally Posted by Falcadore

Wooley: the majority of times I've seen the phrase outright lap record - it's used when all different categories of racing car are combined to get a fastest ever race lap. At the majority of the big circuits in Europe its usually the Formula One race lap record, if F1 has raced there. Old Spa-Francorchamps though the outright lap record is a Group C Sports Car lap, but still a racing lap, they continued racing the old Spa well after F1 left for Nivelles and Zolder.

Fair point. I know one circuit here has an outright lap record quoted which was set by an F1 car doing a demonstration run to show just how quick they are on a circuit which doesn't hold F1, but you're right - that isn't a category outright record in all sessions.

Doesn't F1 also quote Qualifying records alongside lap records, but still not give practice sessions - presumably on the basis that the car doesn't necessarily have to be fully race legal in 'untimed' sessions?

[Axeman444]

regardless of the history and what every other sport does, IMO Murphy's lap is better than Lowndes for the pure fact the Murph goes on an out lap, does the time, and that's it. there is no couple of laps prior working into it and getting quicker everytime, as in Lowndes case.

the time differential required before one is better than the other though... not sure

[PVDA]

I remember when the European Porsche Cup was imported for the F1GP several years ago they spent several days of shakedown testing at Winton.

When we told them what the V8 lap Record was they decided to smash the record which after a few days they certainly did but as it was done in testing it counts for nothing.

[sizzle]

One of the elements that will always make that lap special was fthat it was done in the shoot out. They struggled to crack a seven even in qualifying. To then go out and the next guy (Bowe) by over a second was simply off this planet. Yes Lowndes went quicker, but as said by someone earlier it was in practice where he had a chance for multiple attempts at it. Big difference when the shoot out came around. I was there that day at the best viewing areas on the mountain that doesn't exist anymore (outside the chase) and when Murph came through the right hander on the limiter the hair was standing up on the back of my neck. I saw something special that day and I have to say, practice, qualifying or race, I don't care, it will remain as one of the real special moments I have viewed in motorsport.

[peckstar]

anyone want to go back to last year, and probably the year before (and probably every year since time began) and drag out the thread (s) about this same topic

and guess what DRT has argued in all of them

Craig lowndes new lap record holder, well done. It really doesnt mean as much as when murphy did it though, I wonder if he had to weigh in after he completed the lap, like murphy did

[Falcadore]

Originally Posted by peckstar

anyone want to go back to last year, and probably the year before (and probably every year since time began) and drag out the thread (s) about this same topic

and guess what DRT has argued in all of them

Craig lowndes new lap record holder, well done. It really doesnt mean as much as when murphy did it though, I wonder if he had to weigh in after he completed the lap, like murphy did

Just because you don't like DRT, it doesn't make him wrong and you right. Murphy set the lap back in 2003, so chances are the myths that this lap constitutes the lap record goes back that far, although if you look at Natsoft in 2003, it does disagree with you Pecks, so Murphy's lap being the lap record did not actually start in 2003 , but has started to become referred to as such since then, maybe not until as late as 2006. If you dig through various iterations of The Great Race you will notice several occasions when practice laps have eclipsed the lap record of the day, and most definately have not gone into posterity.

So Pecks, you're now claiming yourself to be a greater authority on the sport than the good folk at Chevron Publishing? Good luck with that fella.

However, yes congratulations to Craig Lowndes on the fastest ever lap, but don't please represent this as something it is not.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by Falcadore

So Pecks, you're now claiming yourself to be a greater authority on the sport than the good folk at Chevron Publishing? Good luck with that fella.

Chevron are no longer the authority they once were. Just read some of the tripe served up in this years Bathurst Magazine.

However there is no doubt that a lap record in V8 Supercars can only be made during a race.

This is common with most, but not all, forms of motorsport.

[Southern Man]

If I wanted to throw a scare amongst my competitors then during the last practice session with the last run with that particular engine I could be tempted to drop in another engine management program, say one with another 500rpm and a tad more fuel and go out and do a couple of real quick laps, I would probably throw out any ballast I had too because practise don't count for anything other than to set the car up. It would scare the living daylights out of the opposition then that night I would put in my qualifying / race engine and associated management program, add back any ballast and take part next day in "Official Qualifying" with my 100% legal car and be prepared for any technical scruitiny that was undertaken.

Now when were those quick laps done................

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by Southern Man

If I wanted to throw a scare amongst my competitors then during the last practice session with the last run with that particular engine I could be tempted to drop in another engine management program, say one with another 500rpm and a tad more fuel and go out and do a couple of real quick laps, I would probably throw out any ballast I had too because practise don't count for anything other than to set the car up. It would scare the living daylights out of the opposition then that night I would put in my qualifying / race engine and associated management program, add back any ballast and take part next day in "Official Qualifying" with my 100% legal car and be prepared for any technical scruitiny that was undertaken.

Now when were those quick laps done................

All you'd have go do is remove the control ECU and the on board data logger which record all the things you mention and which are downloaded and checked in every session. In other words - no chance.