[BTCC] Realistic Buget for a Privateer to enter BTCC

[Porscheman]

What sort of buget would a private 1 car team need for a season in BTCC with the new NGTC cars

The main things that come to mind for a startup would be

1) Car (what is the actual cost of the NGTC cars)
2) equipment
3) Transporter
4) Staff

After that it would be the buget to complete the season which is the main part i am interested in

You hear many different storys so i thought i would ask on here

[auroan]

Don't forget tyres. Which I believe are at least £1500 a set of four.

[Thundersports]

Originally Posted by auroan

Don't forget tyres. Which I believe are at least £1500 a set of four.

Can anyone confirm this? A set of four rather large Avon slicks for a F1 single seater in BossGP are £1000 aset which now look like a bargain!

[auroan]

Originally Posted by Thundersports

Can anyone confirm this? A set of four rather large Avon slicks for a F1 single seater in BossGP are £1000 aset which now look like a bargain!

Thats what Tim Harvey said to me at a Honda event in York the night before Croft qualy last year.

[touring fan01]

Originally Posted by auroan

Don't forget tyres. Which I believe are at least £1500 a set of four.

Theyre nothing like it that much.
Last year they were only 160 quid each so I guess a little more this year with inflation etc.
http://www.btcc.net/forum/showthread...ghlight=dunlop

[PDS]

Originally Posted by touring fan01

Last year they were only 160 quid each so I guess a little more this year with inflation etc.

great pun, I like it...

The link recons 16 tyres per car per meeting... so that's about £2500 then?

As for driver costs 500k is the top end and from memory only a couple of drivers have paid that. The average for a top team is around 350k. It all depends what is or is not included in their contracts like damage and test days for instance.

[Craner Curves]

Originally Posted by PDS

As for driver costs 500k is the top end and from memory only a couple of drivers have paid that.

I heard that's the sort of money that was thrown at a big team's third car in 2005/06. And apparantly he was given some money back as a token "salary"?

[PDS]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

I heard that's the sort of money that was thrown at a big team's third car in 2005/06. And apparantly he was given some money back as a token "salary"?

I can understand a value of that for a third car.

Most teams are generally equiped to set-up and handle two cars. To run three cars sucessfully the team would have to invest in extra specialised equipment and staff and even transport to get the car to the track.

As for being given 'money back'? Again, it depends on his contract.

[gregc]

Someone who should know told me last year that one of the smallest teams was running on a budget of about £40k per race weekend. Add the cost of a car plus unexpected issues (which always happen) and you're looking at around half a mill at least I'd say.

[Alfa Fan]

To do it properly, £500k. To just do the season £200k.

[Sodemo]

Compared to F1, BTCC is very cheap. What does an F1 team spend, £200 million?

How does BTCC compare to F3 costs wise?

[I Rosputnik]

And how does the BTCC compare to the WTCC price wise as well?

[pinkd56]

Originally Posted by I Rosputnik

And how does the BTCC compare to the WTCC price wise as well?

I remember Reading in autosport that to be a decent WTCC team with 2 cars was approx. €3 million

[gregc]

Looking around for information on different series turned up the following - what you believe is up to you...

crash.net reckon this years F1 budgets go from €34m (HRT) to €199m (Ferrari) - http://www.crash.net/f1/news/168915/..._spenders.html

wikipedia says that a British F3 budget is around £400k - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_3

Getting back to touring cars, if you believe wiki then V8 Supercars has pretty eye watering budgets - around £400k just for the car and well into the millions for a season... Hopefully one of our Aussie friends can clarify it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8_Supercars#Cost

As for WTCC, our own helterskelter reckons €600k minimum for one car - lower than I'd have expected to be honest. Post here - http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....&postcount=194

All fairly random, and I'm not claiming accuracy on any of these sources One thing for sure, and we all already know it. Motorsport ain't cheap....

[Alfa Fan]

Remember that the Australian cars will seem more expensive due to the collapse in exchange rates between AUD & EUR/GBP

I've suffered from this when buying DVDs/books/etc from over their

[Speed-King]

A season in a top of the line GT3-car (8 round season) is said to be around 750k €, but you can split it between two drivers...

[Porscheman]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

A season in a top of the line GT3-car (8 round season) is said to be around 750k €, but you can split it between two drivers...

I think between 2 drivers european GT3 in a Porsche GT3R with a good team is around €40000 a round

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by Porscheman

I think between 2 drivers european GT3 in a Porsche GT3R with a good team is around €40000 a round

Ah, sorry - I got my numbers wrong... 750k was for F3 Euro-Series, GT3 (in this case ADAC GT-Masters) is "only" 500k for the year...

@Porscheman Weren't you the person that was looking into buying a V8STAR a couple of years ago? May I ask how that went?

[Gerry Taylor]

Has it all gone mad! Blimey, lets get back to Special Saloon Cars, where the racing was as exciting, if not better than what is called Touring Cars today ( though where that came from I have'nt a clue ?) Surely it cannot go on like this, it's unsustainable. The figures for what the public "SEE" for their money, just doesn't stack up. I know, I know that I am a dinosaur from way back in the mists of Mallory, but if you remember those days and those drivers, you must see what a great big waste of money is happening here.

[bdwoody]

£16.5k + vat to enter btcc, tyres £1000 a set from dunlop ,car = sky is the limit by the looks of it . i recon you could give it a go for the crack for not too much money if you had some to start with !!! the trouble is there is a lot of bs in this game and even if you had all the money and car and ....... it still does not mean you would have results straight off the bat .

[bendy]

I say do Superkarts instead! £5000 a year rather than £500,000, and we lap a few seconds a lap quicker! Not to mention the fact that you can race against 45 other racers at once...

[Icebaby]

Originally Posted by bendy

I say do Superkarts instead! £5000 a year rather than £500,000, and we lap a few seconds a lap quicker! Not to mention the fact that you can race against 45 other racers at once...

Superkarts dont have an ambulance on stand by they have a vicar such is the risk....lol

[Pete Howarth]

Originally Posted by Icebaby

Superkarts dont have an ambulance on stand by they have a vicar such is the risk....lol

In 22 years of marshalling, I've had to deal with more fatalities and injuries in car racing, than I've done in Kart racing.

[medius]

Simple answer, someone phone up Geoff Steel Racing and ask them how much to have them run you in the BMW Dave Newsham recently vacated. It'll be less hassle to pay an existing team rather than do it yourself.

[PDS]

As much as I respect Geoff Steel and love Martyn Bell to bits, I cannot see people queing-up to buy a drive in a BMW this year..

Correct me if i'm wrong!

Had an interesting chat with Colin Turkington last week in Sweden...

Oh what could have been if the BMW had a turbo!