1967 MGB GT FIA applicable?

[S.E classics]

Hi, just bought a 1967 mk1 mgb gt would like to turn it in to a fia race car and get papers for it, I can't find a clear answer anywhere is there anyone who car put me in the right direction???

thanks. Stephen

[Tim Falce]

Hi and welcome to 10 Tenths. I think you'd be better asking in Historic Racing Today forum but I believe it's too new for what you want to do.

[Adam43]

I'll move to historic. There are some friendly and helpful bods there.

[terence]

Sorry but I think you'll find it a little too young,cut off being 1965. The correct body requires the 'Narrow Tunnel' version.[Mind you,there are plenty running round that have been converted!] But that leads to the extra expense of buying a narrow tunnel car.

[JAFA851]

Originally Posted by terence bower

Sorry but I think you'll find it a little too young,cut off being 1965. The correct body requires the 'Narrow Tunnel' version.[Mind you,there are plenty running round that have been converted!] But that leads to the extra expense of buying a narrow tunnel car.

All MKI MGB's / BGT's are "narrow tunnel", with a 3 synchromesh gearbox. MKI B's / GT's were produced up until ( and maybe some part of ) October 1967, then the MKII was released, with a 4 synchromesh gearbox and an accordingly wider tunnel.

[Derwent Motorsp]

If you get a Heritage certificate for the car it will tell you the day it was made. Presumably if it was made in 65 then it will be OK.
I would suggest you contact Dave Saunders the Comps Director at the MGCC who knows everything about historic MG Bs.

[Mike Bell]

Welcome to the forum, Chris. My gut feeling is that if BGT was accepted by Pre '66 FIA regs we would see them racing alongside the hard top cars. We don't.

My understanding is that the defining date is when car officially went on sale, not when made. It seems from what we read that this was 1966. It is quite possible dealers registered cars during January, if they had received the necessary paperwork from MG to do so, even if that was pre 'release'.

[terence]

Originally Posted by JAFA851

All MKI MGB's / BGT's are "narrow tunnel", with a 3 synchromesh gearbox. MKI B's / GT's were produced up until ( and maybe some part of ) October 1967, then the MKII was released, with a 4 synchromesh gearbox and an accordingly wider tunnel.

Shows how much you can forget once you've lost interest in a marque.

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by S.E classics

Hi, just bought a 1967 mk1 mgb gt would like to turn it in to a fia race car and get papers for it, I can't find a clear answer anywhere is there anyone who car put me in the right direction???

thanks. Stephen

Hi Stephen and welcome to the Historic forum, which is an accurate description of a lot of posters on here..... (Including me)

You can get FIA papers (presume you mean a Historic Technical Passport) for the car mentioned but what you won't be able to do is race it in pre 1966 events, which is the cut off date for most of the races and series run to FIA regulations. Although a GT version of the MGB was shown at the October 1965 Earls Court Motorshow I have a feeling that it was not on sale until 1966 so is not accepted as a pre '66 car. Sure someone will correct me if have got that wrong! Whatever, the homologation papers were issued on 01/04/1967, so that is the important date. The homologation number is 560, and papers listed as "Barely Readable" by the FIA.

As Terence states, the earlier cars also had a narrower transmission tunnel, and all open top Bs have to have this to be granted HTP.

So you can build your car up to homologated spec and obtain HTP for it, but the cost will probably outweigh the advantages of doing so. Better to check out the MGCC race series, HSCC Road Sports or CSCC Swinging 60s, all of which allow the GT as long as correct to their regulations.

Hope that helps.

[terence]

Quite correct Mike,66 was the year of release. Although the GT was appreciably stiffer than the roadster,there obviously is the weight penalty. This being the reason why the works waited for the C to be built before continuing with the car.
Alternatively there was the fore runner to the BMC car,the Belgian ' Jaque Counse' version which wich is ellidgable for htp papers.

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by terence bower

the Belgian ' Jaque Counse' version which wich is ellidgable for htp papers.

Or even the 'Jacques Coune' version.....

You been on the gluwhein already, Terence?

[terence]

Nothing better to do with three months holiday Mike
I realised after posting I had miss -spelt that,funny how much difference the 'S' makes! Writing is so small on Android phones.

[nicanary]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Or even the 'Jacques Coune' version.....

You been on the gluwhein already, Terence?

You're one to talk - it's "Gluhwein" -

[S.E classics]

Hi guys thanks for all your help I am apart of the CSCC already I maintain a Aston Martin db4 s5 vantage silver with a red stripe however car had a crash at castle Combe earlier this year I am currently rebuilding the car, but the client dose not want to race it anymore, so we wanted to build a MGB but wanted it to be a FIA car. Thanks for all your help. I'm sure I will be making more posts as I progress though the MG

Stephen.

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by nicanary

You're one to talk - it's "Gluhwein" -

Terence blames his spelling on his phone, I blame mine on my ithingamy. Nothing to do with alcohol. Hic.....

Stephen, good luck with the B GT. Definitely a cheaper option to the DB4.

[terence]

Originally Posted by nicanary

You're one to talk - it's "Gluhwein" -

Thanks for that-I didn't have the heart to mention it.

Yes,good luck with the project. The GT can still be made to go very well,and it has the stiffness as an advantage There is a fair bit of weight that can be saved very easily,almost as much to get it to roadster weight.

[Peter Mallett]

Of course FIA App K doesn't only apply to period F. Lest we forget the MGB GT appeared at Sebring as a prototype with a 2l engine, as a forrunner to the GTS campaign. So, it had international competition history in some form in 1967.

[GORDON STREETER]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Of course FIA App K doesn't only apply to period F. Lest we forget the MGB GT appeared at Sebring as a prototype with a 2l engine, as a forrunner to the GTS campaign. So, it had international competition history in some form in 1967.

I thought that most of the FIA cars that race have the 2lt engine fitted as standard !

[nicanary]

Originally Posted by GORDON STREETER

I thought that most of the FIA cars that race have the 2lt engine fitted as standard !

Why does that remind me of this? Genuine 1950s 1350cc A35

[GORDON STREETER]

Originally Posted by nicanary

Why does that remind me of this? Genuine 1950s 1350cc A35

I take it you meant this one,I believe it suffered a misfire because of a loose crank sensor !

[S.E classics]

Hi guys thank you very much for your help think we are just going to build a car that can race in the cscc swinging sixtys, also anyone ever done a rover v8 conversion in a mgb gt and did they ever fia a 1964 and a half mustang notchback ? Thanks guy

[morninggents]

Originally Posted by S.E classics

did they ever fia a 1964 and a half mustang notchback ? Thanks guy

Yep, they certainly did. We have lot's of enthusiasts for this car on here and Zefarelly will be along soon to tell you all about them.

Belated happy Christmas, all.

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by morninggents

Yep, they certainly did. We have lot's of enthusiasts for this car on here and Zefarelly will be along soon to tell you all about them.

Yes, where are you Joe?

1964 Mustang Mk1 homologation # 1329, 1965 Mk2 # 1330, both on 11/07/1964.

No idea the difference in homologated spec but probably significant..........

[MGDavid]

thought this thread was about MGBs ?
;-)

[Peter Mallett]

Ah yes but that's the Speedwell conversion.