Brda Agm

RoyG · 15 Jan 2005, 12:32 (Ref:1201521)

Drivers -

To have any influence on the way that BRDA run their affairs you need to make your views known at the AGM.

Saturday January 29th 2005 at 2 p.m.

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Pug620 · 16 Jan 2005, 23:25 (Ref:1202618)

OH !!!!

I can not make it as we have the new camper arriving that day!!

Can we ask drivers reps to ask questions ect or do we have to attend to be able to do that!!!

Carlos · 16 Jan 2005, 23:30 (Ref:1202620)

Cant make it down as still in tidy up after shower

Pug620 · 16 Jan 2005, 23:36 (Ref:1202623)

Carlos

Hope you get the car dried out soon is their much damage?

Also anyone heard if the Croft 30th is on ??

I wont be out until March as i have just found out why the cars so slow its only got 45 psi compression on 2+3 need to do some spanner twirling.

Marty

BRUMBRUM · 16 Jan 2005, 23:43 (Ref:1202627)

Hope you all get things dried out quick.

Last I heard the Croft event had last than 15 entries.
Croft needs 60 cars for the event to go ahead.
McCluskey and Watson are supposed to be competing there.

So come on boys and girls support the winter series otherwise it will be no more!!

Carlos · 16 Jan 2005, 23:47 (Ref:1202630)

Yeah 205 dried out but wrx scrapped and celica still under consultation :-( Sorry to hear about your problems, happy new year and all that ???

BRUMBRUM · 16 Jan 2005, 23:58 (Ref:1202637)

[QUOTE=RoyG]Drivers -

To have any influence on the way that BRDA run their affairs you need to make your views known at the AGM.

Personally I think there is absolutely NO POINT in going to the AGM.
Reasons being that they have already made there decisions for the year, WITHOUT AGM discussions, whats that going to achieve.
We already know their best phrse is "You either like it or lump it" In other words you either go along and agree with what were doing or bugger off!!

No point in going and Im not. For exactly this reason.
We have been suggesting and speaking our views for 3 years now and where has it got us ABSOLUTELY NOWWHERE.

EvilPumpkin · 17 Jan 2005, 15:52 (Ref:1203048)

[QUOTE=BRUMBRUM]

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoyG

No point in going and Im not. For exactly this reason.
We have been suggesting and speaking our views for 3 years now and where has it got us ABSOLUTELY NOWWHERE.

Your choice Brum. However, I assume that means that we won't be hearing any more complaints from you about the BRDA as you're being given the opportunity to vote/speak and you've chosen not to do so.

leonidas · 17 Jan 2005, 15:22 (Ref:1203034)

Well, a vote of no confidence in the BRDA committee might make them think again!

Seriously, I think this may be the problem. If only a few drivers show up to these things it leaves control of the sport in the hands of a very small number of people, some of whom know what they are doing, some of whom don't...!

Remember the BRDA runs the BTRDA championship too...

Queen · 17 Jan 2005, 17:40 (Ref:1203110)

You must all remember if you don't go and voice your concerns, nothing can be done to help you.

grasser26 · 17 Jan 2005, 18:45 (Ref:1203156)

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Originally Posted by Queen

You must all remember if you don't go and voice your concerns, nothing can be done to help you.

As Queen say's if you don't go you don't have a vote, so for the sake of rallycross attend the AGM get your point across and VOTE.
I know of cars that were being built that are now on stop until they know what is happening!! So lets make ourselfs heard in the right place and attend this AGM.
If you can't attend ask someone who is going to raise your points for you

Spectator · 17 Jan 2005, 21:59 (Ref:1203297)

What I find hard to understand is the fact that the BRDA was giving fliers out at the Autosport show but has not posted anything on the web site.
Surely a posting there could clear up/ clarify a lot of the worries that everone has about just where we are going and what to build or not to build.
It is all the uncertainty that is really doing the damage.
Strange me thinks.

BRUMBRUM · 17 Jan 2005, 22:13 (Ref:1203311)

As ive said before there is no point going to the AGM because those at the top just don't listen they haven't for over 3 years now and still aren't.

The proof is in there recent admissions:
No Minicross to be part of the BRC as of NOW.

The introduction of a one make car for juniors thus wiping out the value of around 25 junior cars plus the ones currently being built.

The admission by the 2 people at the top at the show that if you own a Mini or a car that is not recent and up to date you are NOT welcome in the BRC as of NOW. I think the words were **** off to be precise.

Higher entry fee's on the way, latest figures being banded around are £300 for supercar £250 for super modified £200 for stockhatch and £200 for juniors.... expensive me thinks for no tv coverage, no media coverage and lack of track time.

Im unable to go to AGM anyway as going to Croft for the weekend, however I suggest anyone going there brings up these points and puts a vote of no confidence in the current organisers through.

All they are doing at the moment is driving us all away from the sport........ or should I say towards the new all rounders series run by the MDA for Minicross and Stockhatch and the new RSS Plate for Minicross and Stockhatch. As well as the juniors being part of the RSS.

Thoughts please..........

silver bullet · 17 Jan 2005, 23:31 (Ref:1203356)

Don't forget there are a lot of drivers who don't get on ten-tenths who havent got a clue what is going on, I know up until two months ago I was one of them. All they get is the BRDA letters for their info and we know how few and far between they are.

I can't go to the AGM as I am working on Saturday & at Croft on Sunday, but if you want my honest opinion I dont think it will make a difference who goes and who says what, because what the BRDA have decided what they want & those who dissagree can go their merry way.

Pug620 · 18 Jan 2005, 00:06 (Ref:1203370)

Gents

All the rambelings that go on hear, is Rallycross realy looking so bleak??

I can agree about the mini boys as it seams a little harsh to say that they are not included in the BRDA in january for this season were the drivers consulted ?

I allways thought the BRDA stands for British Rallycross DRIVERS Association does that not mean that it is run for the drivers not for comercial gain if so why is every thing changing without the drivers being consulted or even asked to decide the future of the sport.

Ie the Chairman is changed is he ment to be voted in?
The mini boys are left out?
Mention above of entry fees going up again?

I canot attend the AGM (I wish i could as i would like at least some question awnsering) as i have other comitments like so many other people these days.

That questions would be

Who is running the BRDA is it the competitors or a group of people who are changing the sport with out even consulting the people who pay for the sport?

What is the future for the sport 2 and 5 year plans is it to include the clubman or just profesional teams ?

Why could we not submit Questions that we feel needed resolving to be sent in by post or e-mail and if this is allowed would it not be a good idea to let every one know i.e. the web site.

I am not for shooting down the curent team running the BRDA but some of the rumors / actions that have happend lately just seam to point that the DRIVERS have no voice in the sport any more.

I would just hope that the sport moves forward not by every one spending vast amounts of money but by providing full grids of action racing for the public and the Drivers which is cost efective i.e Best value not world class.

If any one attending or officals reading this would like to take up the challenge of anwsering these question please put them forward .

I will also be forwarding a letter to the BRDA for inclusion into the AGM and hope they will find some resolutions so the sport moves forward bigger and better for the 2005 season .

Regards

Marty

StockHatch 620

EvilPumpkin · 18 Jan 2005, 08:03 (Ref:1203541)

If there are so many drivers unavailable due to something being on at Croft, then perhaps the first step is to request a change of date of the AGM?

As for issues with the BRDA, I've said it before and now I'm saying it again. If you want to discuss them here (and provided it is correct information, not hearsay or innuendo) that's fine.

But don't complain that what you say here is not actioned. This is not an appropriate place for you to put your issues if you want them actioned. The appropriate place is in a letter to the BRDA.

If you don't use the appropriate channels put in place to deal with your queries, then you've no business complaining that you haven't got an answer. This applies to any organising club, marshals club, racing class or any other type of motorsport organisation.

Equally, if you're not prepared to do the job, then you don't have a right to criticise those that do. Not happy with the current committee? Then set up your own, go to the AGM and get it voted in. Do the job yourself if you don't think someone else is doing it correctly.

Maybe the BRDA is being run badly - I have no idea, I don't have any involvement. For that matter, I don't have any significant interest. But if it's being run badly, it is being run badly by the management structure voted into place by its members. So it's up to the members to change it. If people can't be bothered to do that, then I have no sympathy whatever for the complaints being made. Certainly the way to make change is not to encourage people not to attend the AGM, thus ratifying everything the current management structure is doing because as far as they can see, no-one else is interested.

A case of you make your bed, you lie in it.

BRUMBRUM · 18 Jan 2005, 08:42 (Ref:1203565)

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvilPumpkin

If there are so many drivers unavailable due to something being on at Croft, then perhaps the first step is to request a change of date of the AGM?

As for issues with the BRDA, I've said it before and now I'm saying it again. If you want to discuss them here (and provided it is correct information, not hearsay or innuendo) that's fine.

But don't complain that what you say here is not actioned. This is not an appropriate place for you to put your issues if you want them actioned. The appropriate place is in a letter to the BRDA.

If you don't use the appropriate channels put in place to deal with your queries, then you've no business complaining that you haven't got an answer. This applies to any organising club, marshals club, racing class or any other type of motorsport organisation.

Equally, if you're not prepared to do the job, then you don't have a right to criticise those that do. Not happy with the current committee? Then set up your own, go to the AGM and get it voted in. Do the job yourself if you don't think someone else is doing it correctly.

Maybe the BRDA is being run badly - I have no idea, I don't have any involvement. For that matter, I don't have any significant interest. But if it's being run badly, it is being run badly by the management structure voted into place by its members. So it's up to the members to change it. If people can't be bothered to do that, then I have no sympathy whatever for the complaints being made. Certainly the way to make change is not to encourage people not to attend the AGM, thus ratifying everything the current management structure is doing because as far as they can see, no-one else is interested.

A case of you make your bed, you lie in it.

Evil Pumpkin, you hit the nail on the head with your comments and I completely agree.

However.......this is exaclty our point WE THE DRIVERS did NOT vote in the current committee they just got put in place by certain people.
We had no control over who is in and who is not. We cannot get voted in as you put it. This is exactly why our actions will not be acted upon because they don't care and it has become an organisation not for the drivers but for an elite few.

This situation wouldn't of been so bad had we been able to vote in a commitee and people to run the sport.

As for "something" being on at Croft then this is a winter series rallycross event. Which will see the debut of John McCluskey in the Xzara. The date cannot be changed of the AGM but just seems a bit funny to put it on the day when most people will be going to Croft....me wonders if done on purpose so they dont get many at the AGM and therefore not many discussions and complaints about why things are thway they are...!!

DarrenG · 18 Jan 2005, 14:18 (Ref:1203791)

If you think going to the BRDA AGM and airing your views will make any difference then you are very naive. A few years ago the Modifeds were split into different categories so all of the under 1400cc cars were racing together. They then decided to run all of the modifieds together instantly making all of these cars uncompetitive. The drivers in this category tried to argue the case of keeping the seperate classes and were basically told tough luck the decision had already been made.

Look at the recent decision to drop the Minicross drivers, did they actually consult anyone before coming up with this decision?

How exactly is the BRDA board appointed because we certainly have never had a vote in who should run it.

Roundy Mooney · 18 Jan 2005, 14:41 (Ref:1203817)

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Originally Posted by DarrenG

How exactly is the BRDA board appointed because we certainly have never had a vote in who should run it.

If it’s any consolation the same secret society exists in Ireland. I’ve heard the selection process dates back to Viking times and use a very technical process of a small metal bar, a blind fold and a page with the appropriate names on it. Oh there might have been something about the sacrifice of a chicken and a packet of scampi fries involved as well.

The Irish AGM is on tonight and we only found out about it on Friday evening when the organizers( and I use that term very loosely) rang competitors to tell them!!!!

Barney · 27 Jan 2005, 22:23 (Ref:1211577)

QUOTE=DarrenG]If you think going to the BRDA AGM and airing your views will make any difference then you are very naive. A few years ago the Modifeds were split into different categories so all of the under 1400cc cars were racing together. They then decided to run all of the modifieds together instantly making all of these cars uncompetitive. The drivers in this category tried to argue the case of keeping the seperate classes and were basically told tough luck the decision had already been made.

Look at the recent decision to drop the Minicross drivers, did they actually consult anyone before coming up with this decision?

How exactly is the BRDA board appointed because we certainly have never had a vote in who should run it.[/QUOTE]

It would appear to me that one of the biggest problems within rallycross is people twittering on about things they know nothing about, mini's have never been a part of the british championship, therefore have not been dropped, so who were they supposed to consult ?

Matti Alamaki · 27 Jan 2005, 23:25 (Ref:1211640)

Why is Rallycross so strong in Ireland?
I know there's little of these politics in the Irish Rallycross scene.

There's far too much negative comment from too many people and too many political agendas being hammered out in the UK. I guess turning a Sport into a business possibly brings more problems than solutions.

Get real people, Rallycross is only an amateur sport, even the European championship can only sustain a handfull of professional drivers.

Take a step back and try to support/help and advise the organisers. Don't go the AGM and jump down their throats. Many of the organisers have been volunteers for many years giving up their free time and energy.

If you think you can do better then go out and do it yourself.

PS: I am not connected to either the BRDA or RSS.

DarrenG · 28 Jan 2005, 09:17 (Ref:1211823)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barney

It would appear to me that one of the biggest problems within rallycross is people twittering on about things they know nothing about, mini's have never been a part of the british championship, therefore have not been dropped, so who were they supposed to consult ?

Are you part of the BRDA board by any chance? So are you saying Minicross has not been dropped from the BRDA rounds because they were never part of the British Rallycross Championship anyway?

I am sure that is of comfort to all the rallycross drivers who now have nowhere to race and who's cars have been rendered worthless overnight. Guess they better get used to racing at Wildtracks....

Spectator · 28 Jan 2005, 15:32 (Ref:1212071)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barney

It would appear to me that one of the biggest problems within rallycross is people twittering on about things they know nothing about, mini's have never been a part of the british championship, therefore have not been dropped, so who were they supposed to consult ?

Are we all talking about the same championship as there are three?
I believe that minis have never been part of the MSA British Rallycross Championship apart from super mods.
They have always been part of the BRDA & BTRDA Rallycross Championships.
Is it the BRDA championship that they are being dropped from and only being allowed to compete in the BTRDA or is it all rumour? Sad if they are as John Binks was second overall last year.
I suppose tomorrow will reveal all!

leonidas · 28 Jan 2005, 16:25 (Ref:1212100)

Well, I guess tomorrow is the day when all will be revealed... I guess the key questions are:

(1) Why have Minicross been dropped from the BRDA championship and why were the MDA not consulted about this?

(2) Will entry fees rise this year, and if so by how much?

(3) How will clubmen benefit from the new commercial management that has been appointed?

(4) We have been told that there is no room for 'budget formulas' in the MSA championship. What does this mean for stock hatch?

(5) Why is the BTRDA calendar missing key tracks (Lydden, Brands, Knock Hill) and is it still possible to get some added to the calendar?

(6) Are any changes to the stock hatch regulations planned for 2006, and, if so, when will they be announced?

(7) What will be the new single-make formula for juniors for 2005 and when will it be announced? (and when will this championship start?)

Lets hope for some positive news!

grasser26 · 28 Jan 2005, 17:32 (Ref:1212130)

Nice to see positive questions

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