2006 TV Deals

Onlooker · 13 Sep 2005, 06:11 (Ref:1406333)

Word around sandown was that only V8's , Development Series ,Carrera Cup and Formula Ford will be getting any coverage in 2006. Is this the begining of the end for the Utes,Aussie Cars and the Lotus Cup. The source was quite adament that there would simply be no TV footage available for these class's so looks like a few sponsors will be off tot eh FF or Cup Cars in 2006

Spunky · 13 Sep 2005, 06:49 (Ref:1406347)

Yep and giving themselves (V8's) extra time!

windsok · 13 Sep 2005, 07:03 (Ref:1406354)

Hope not, I find Lotus Trophy and Aussie Racing Cars more interesting than V8 Supercars most of the time!

Silent Number · 13 Sep 2005, 08:56 (Ref:1406458)

that is becoz they are going to foxtel away from ch 10

Onlooker · 13 Sep 2005, 11:40 (Ref:1406579)

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Originally Posted by Silent Number

that is becoz they are going to foxtel away from ch 10

Ahh the word is that they will have to film there own footage then, when I say no footage will be available, I mean none to on sell. Not by 10 anyway, so unless SBS come and set up there own camera's they will not have access to any film

**GTRMagic** · 13 Sep 2005, 09:24 (Ref:1406487)

The golden rule applies... those with the gold make the rules....

BB4718 · 14 Sep 2005, 05:33 (Ref:1407267)

IF this is true it will be an outrage! I can understand why AVESCO would do it but I don't think its fair at all. No tv coverage means bugger all sponsorship. As we all know, no sponsorship = no racing! I for one intend to do whatever I can to fight this if its true.

lcfp2297 · 14 Sep 2005, 05:43 (Ref:1407273)

IS this AVESCO, or is it the Home of Motorsport acting on ratings (or lack thereof)?

Some people around here are far too quick to throw rocks from their glasshouses...

mac · 14 Sep 2005, 05:59 (Ref:1407281)

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Originally Posted by lcfp2297

Some people around here are far too quick to throw rocks from their glasshouses...

If this does come to fruition, I will be more than happy to throw stones at whoever is responsible!

Oaksnaf · 14 Sep 2005, 06:08 (Ref:1407286)

I am all for an expansion on speedweek. Get SBS to host a motorsport show that just doesn't show highlights or the whole race. Get a show which discusses the lower forms of motorsport, a combination of In Pit Lane (but more professional) and Speedweek in my opinion would bring a lot of local motorsports together.

I mean since when have Channel 10 had Phil Ward on to discuss the Aussie Racing Cars? Since when have they interviewed one of the greats in local motorsport Mort Fitzgerald. What about Asher Johnston from Formula Vee.

An hour and a half show or even two one hour shows each week on SBS about "other motorsports" and discussing the local scene within Australia such as Formula 3, GT production and the likes.

In my opinion, we need a motorsport show to respect the lower categories, and not film selected races because of politics.

cavvy · 14 Sep 2005, 07:34 (Ref:1407327)

Does SpeedWeek rate?

Do the Historic guys fund their own filming?

Oaksnaf · 14 Sep 2005, 07:44 (Ref:1407334)

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Originally Posted by cavvy

Does SpeedWeek rate?

Do the Historic guys fund their own filming?

Categories which are shown on TV on Speedweek pay for that coverage. Its not Speedweek which chooses. Same with In Pit Lane, only certian categories pay for their coverage on the show, and if the others dont, they dont get air time.

So it is very much a case of funding their own filming. Nothing comes free. And if it does, there is always a catch.

cavvy · 14 Sep 2005, 08:24 (Ref:1407369)

Thanks Oak, but does Speedweek rate, i.e could it attract sponsorship based on those ratings?

Oaksnaf · 14 Sep 2005, 08:59 (Ref:1407411)

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Originally Posted by cavvy

Thanks Oak, but does Speedweek rate, i.e could it attract sponsorship based on those ratings?

Most of the sponsorship is coming from internally as since Speedweek is basically NSW the categories there have pulled it from their own pockets rather than external sponsorship.

Can it attract external sponsors? Im not too sure.

Onlooker · 16 Sep 2005, 06:29 (Ref:1409032)

I think the issue is wheather a deal has been done to restrict the footage, as it is all great to have SBS, but I cant see them setting up along side the Channel 10 camer's to film the "aussie car rolling show" or the lotus " Crash and Bash"

racer69 · 16 Sep 2005, 06:44 (Ref:1409038)

When last years Commodore Cup was shown over Summer earlier this year on Foxtel, it featured footage from both AVESCO and Premier Series events from 2004, which didn't seem to cause too much of a fuss.

racer69 · 18 Sep 2005, 06:10 (Ref:1410191)

Plus for the most part of the coverage on the Friday and Saturday, V8Supercars are being shown. For the AFL telecast you get fill and lower grade games during the long coverage.

If what is being implied does indeed come to fruition (live Sunday AFL on TEN seems to be being implied on this thread), then maybe V8s live on Foxtel and tape-delayed later on Free-to-Air has more legs than i thought.

Ten years or so on and despite all the defences history may well repeat itself...........

Jacal · 19 Sep 2005, 03:45 (Ref:1411021)

Speedweek ratings - the figures I was given, to use in a Sponsorship proposal for a NSW state championship category, were average of 80,000 nationwide with a peak of about 250,000 people watching. When I mentioned these figures to someone who works raising money for another (minor in terms of current TV coverage) sport in the country they were impressed with the amount of people watching and the very little amount that was paid for the privelige.

Payment for coverage, the production companies that put the footage together charge for the service, it is not their place to foster the growth of the sport, that is the place of the administering body. If that body does a good job, as the NRL and AFL have done over the years, then eventually they have a product to sell to a sponsor (whether that be a naming rights or Television channel) who can make more money than they paid from onselling their association / benefits. Both these sports are run by a sporting association who have at the core of their values the DEVELOPMENT of the sport. AVESCO is a commercial enterprise and must then primarily look after the development of AVESCO, it is run by them alone for their benefit. If as a spin-off some support categories get to run on the same bill then great. CAMS is the sporting body which should have the development of the sport as one of it's objectives. Unfortunately money is a big factor in acheiving that and if you sell or otherwise lose the commercial rights to the biggest product you have then where does that leave you? Instead of bagging channel 10, who do a much better job than other channels in years gone by, be thankful that you see any footage at all. Netball is the largest participation sport in the country and how much coverage does that get? what about Soccer, the largest participation sport in the world and coverage for that is well below that of AFL and league or cricket or even motorsport?

cavvy · 16 Sep 2005, 06:45 (Ref:1409039)

It'd make commercial sense for Ten to recover costs by recording other races on a program, unless they are paid not to - who would pay?

GROUPA · 16 Sep 2005, 06:50 (Ref:1409042)

One of the best car shows on TV was shown on C31 with Dieter Kashnitz on The C Word....it was a good show catering to all sorts, bikes, cars hell he even questioned a car park attendent.

One of his better shows was on Mitsubishi on last years Rally of Melbourne....this was top class with good laughs as well...he has now moved on to The Car Show on C9....hope his style does as well.

IMO SBS Speedweek is great with the variety of bikes, cars, boats club cars etc....the grass roots of racing....C10 calls itself the home of motorsport...frankly they have been giving us lip service....Mr Basketball or sport of the month Bill Woods is useless...Rusty seems to have the mikey taken out of him all the time...remember the Shanghai Kung Fu part.....Diffey is the worst commentator...if you call call screaming into a microphone commenatating.....Beattie IMO is good....he shows some arrogance...but lets face it...with his talent he has every right to be arrogant.

Crompton is by far the best...he has learnt alot from the old C7 days and red jacket and his years of driving serve him well in the commentary box...pity he is not driving anymore...he is an excellent long distance driver.

Trackside seems to be slapped together...they have done a poor attempt with the Brutes Wade Auger on Speedweek was excellent even though he moved across it was not the same.

When Trackside has the current drivers there input is great...C10 should do this more often rather than waiting for one to dropout during Bathurst.

C10 should not drop Trackside..if anything they should drop V8 superstars and add some excitment to RPM...it is a boring format...the interviews are poor along with the host.

I tend to want to listen to someone that has actually done something on the black stuff...thats my I cant stand Diffey and Woods...at least Rusty had a crack at Aussie Legends.

Trackside could also cover Dutton Rally, GP Rally and other events E30 racing, Porsche 944, Improved Production.

They could put it on @ 2am it would be watched or taped unlike Gunter Rinke or what ever that home shopping crap is.

Bring back Peter Wherret...but no cross dressing...Torque was a great show

Oaksnaf · 16 Sep 2005, 10:11 (Ref:1409167)

Yes the Porsche 994 endurace race at Winton should hopefully get a tiny mention, just because its something different to the norm for the category. AT least a mention on Trackside.

But thats the problem. Too few shows. Some just show race meetings. Some dont have enough time. And some stick to the same format only showing what is worth money to them, ie: V8's, F1's, WRC etc.

There is room for more motorsport shows or a combination of factors thats for sure.

racer55555 · 17 Sep 2005, 17:17 (Ref:1410011)

Guys this has all to do with the new AFL TV Deal and the ratings from Trackside. The sad thing is that FF and Cup Car will get a chance due to money.

Whether you like Lotus trophy,Utes, Aussie Cars, and Historics these categories have paid a fortune to be on the V8 program. There TV deals allowed AVESCO to not pay for the HPDC TV over the past 5 years.Its not AVESCO's fault, that Ten do not have the minutes available.

What is wrong about this situationan the implications for all the drivers, teams and sponsors that are involved in the other categories, is that the new deal stops the footage being purchased by the category managers and shown on another network or program.

The Australian Motorsport Industry risks losing hundres of employees, drivers, teams, categories and most important sponsors if categories are not allowed to broadcast their races on other networks.

Everyone has to get behind these categories to ensure that Australia gets to see the varying and wonderful categories that we have in motorsport.

No matter whether you like or dislike V8's, FF, Cup Car, Lotus Trophy, Aussie Cars, Historics, Comm Cup, or whether you like or dislike people such as Tony Chocrane, Jamie Blackey, Paul Pickett and Phil Ward, Australian Motorsport has some of the most diverse, proffesional and exciting racing categories.

Its up to each and every motorsport fan to let CAMS, TEN and AVESCO know that we as the viewer and paying customer want to choose who we want to watch at the track and at home.

pete55 · 17 Sep 2005, 22:17 (Ref:1410110)

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Originally Posted by racer55555

Its up to each and every motorsport fan to let CAMS, TEN and AVESCO know that we as the viewer and paying customer want to choose who we want to watch at the track and at home.

As if CAMS, AVESCO and Ten car what we fans want.

Also i'm sure categories such as V8 Utes are now thanking themselves that they went to AVESCO.....Not. Tony Cochrane has a long way to go to get even V8 Supercars on the same level as Football, next Sunday on Ten the grandfinal coverage goes for a staggering 10 hrs. That is for a game that lasts 2hrs. I'm sorry TC but your claims for V8 Supercars (spectator and viewer figures) don't stand up too well.

mabs_nsx · 18 Sep 2005, 03:53 (Ref:1410169)

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Originally Posted by pete55

next Sunday on Ten the grandfinal coverage goes for a staggering 10 hrs.

It is on for 8 hours not 10 hours. Still what is the point in that?

AFL is so over rated!

peckstar · 18 Sep 2005, 04:41 (Ref:1410174)

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Originally Posted by pete55

As if CAMS, AVESCO and Ten car what we fans want.

Also i'm sure categories such as V8 Utes are now thanking themselves that they went to AVESCO.....Not. Tony Cochrane has a long way to go to get even V8 Supercars on the same level as Football, next Sunday on Ten the grandfinal coverage goes for a staggering 10 hrs. That is for a game that lasts 2hrs. I'm sorry TC but your claims for V8 Supercars (spectator and viewer figures) don't stand up too well.

Pete two weekends later, the v8s will be on for 20 hours, for a race that lasts less than 7 hours, your point if you were trying to make one seems to be lacking something, not sure what it is, maybe a lack of bias

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