Williams or RBR?

im8457 · 22 Dec 2005, 05:23 (Ref:1488473)

Who would of thought when Webber moved to Williams from Jag/RBR that in two years time RBR could be better off. RBR having the likes of Adrian Newey and Mark Smith and Williams without a Manufacture's engine. I think RBR is going to have a better year than Williams, although I am a williams fan and am hoping they stay contenders. What do you think, Williams or RBR?

KE30MAN · 22 Dec 2005, 05:57 (Ref:1488476)

Williams by a nose. Newey won't have been able to do much or anything with the 06 car.

ActiveMS · 22 Dec 2005, 08:48 (Ref:1488526)

Hmmm.....wouldnt discount Williams and the Cosworth engine yet.
RBR will have the PR and the glitz, but as said above Newey wont have had any influence with the initial 06 car and from Ferrari's testing of the V8, Im not sure if the fezza's engine will be quite as good as others....to begin with at least.

Personally I feel Williams biggest liability is Webber himself.......(hiding very quickly before I get flamed)

Swiss · 22 Dec 2005, 09:34 (Ref:1488558)

Oh-oh danger zone indeed, when does Australia come online ??

only joking guys

At the moment I have to say that I think RBR edge it purely down to the fact that they have more consistency in the team line up from this season to next and that should help them.

However I am hoping that Williams will be rejuvenated and that Cosworth will come back into F1 with another strong engine to live up to the DFV heritage.

steve_r · 22 Dec 2005, 10:03 (Ref:1488569)

The is the first car the RBR team have designed themselves, and I rekon that Williams may have the legs on them early in the season - but thats just my possibly-flawed logic.

cmifsud · 22 Dec 2005, 10:38 (Ref:1488590)

Hi, I'm new to Ten Tenths, and being a Williams fan, I thought this was an ideal place to start.

I doubt RBR will have it over Williams next season. RBR tend to clerverly use the media to make themselves look better than they really are. (Which is by the way, a rather lowly 7th in the constructors championship).

Williams have been working on the FW28 since the start of May 05, so I am expecting big things

BootsOntheSide · 22 Dec 2005, 11:38 (Ref:1488624)

For the start of the year, Williams have at least two big advantages over RBR. Firstly, Cosworth have more experience of V8s, and are bound to produce one of the ebst engines going - any disadvantage they may have in terms of funding in the long-term will not become apparent initially. Secondly, RBR's team have not designed a car yet, so we don't know what they're capable of, and without Newey it may not be much.

In the long-term RBR are in a strong position, and they will probably move up the grid by the end of the season, particularly on aerodynamic-dependent circuits. I think Williams probably have an advantage for now, especially if the drivers can shine (on paper I'd say RBR has the stronger 3-man driving lineup, although Nico is the big unknown, he could prove to be awesome).

Halsey · 22 Dec 2005, 13:51 (Ref:1488709)

Not entirely sure, but I'm certainly looking forward to finding out

I have a feeling it'll be Williams, although hope may influence that feeling of mine. It'll be good to see how their respective drivers perform.

Mystery · 22 Dec 2005, 14:13 (Ref:1488724)

Williams definately, but perhaps for the last season for a little while

**Bononi** · 22 Dec 2005, 14:22 (Ref:1488729)

Good question, but I wouldn't bet any money in both of them. It seems that they will be very close to each other, and in the end one will be ahead. I'm expecting to see Williams in a good position from 2007 ahead, but not next year. RBR should be going uphill so one year can be better than the other, but not much.

Gt_R · 22 Dec 2005, 15:43 (Ref:1488776)

It's really tough to say who'd come out on top.

4 factors

1) Tyres: Bridgestone vs Michelin
- At this time, there's really little indication of who will come out as the clear leader in the tyre war. Both manufacturers have some things in and against their favour. It will be a main contributor but theres a 55% chance that Michelin will get a slight advantage at the start

2) Engine: Cosworth vs Ferrari
- Cosworth is clearly an expert at racing V8s, and may get a jump over the manufacturers. At this stage, it's difficult to predict how Ferrari will adapt to the rules, but i predict it'd be pretty much on par if nobody screws up.

3) Car: Williams vs Red Bull
Williams ought to be stronger if we want to talk about experience and having been at the top. But some doubts exist. Williams had a recent habit of screwing up the car design at the start of every season, and spent the next half of the season correcting the errors. It happened in 05 & 04, both of which essentially killed the team's challenge. With the new windtunnel up to speed, things may improve, but it's a question mark when essentially, the people working behind the scenes are basically unchanged. The team needs serious strengthening in quality. Red Bull on the other hand may be "new", but the people running the team are not and are capable of turning out decent cars. Mark Smith came from Renault IIRC and renault had some good handling cars for the past 2-3 years. Newey will not be involved in the early stage though... Red Bull by an inch perhaps? Unless Williams had some real good people work on the car during winter. Oh and let's not forget, Red Bull has more cash to splash than Williams.

4) Drivers: Williams pair vs RBR pair.
Early season, i believe DC and Mark will be equally matched at the end of the race. Klien will get a headstart over Nico and so in overall drivers, i'd say RBR has a stronger pair.

So all in all, taking tyres into consideration, i think Williams may just edge it if Michelin maintain the superiority. If tyres are on par, RBR will be ahead by an inch.

maltafan · 22 Dec 2005, 18:19 (Ref:1488840)

I think that it is difficult to tell as Both have been in the middle of the tables. I think that RBR have more experienced drivers than Williams does, however, Williams have more experience and I have faith in the Coswoth engines, so if I have to choose, I'l choose Williams.

nobster · 22 Dec 2005, 19:59 (Ref:1488888)

Williams will be the dark horses this year, I think a lot of people will be surprised by the " new" Williams team in 06.

Kicking-back · 22 Dec 2005, 22:24 (Ref:1488970)

I think Red Bull will win a race in 2006.

They'll be routinely quicker than Ferrari.

im8457 · 22 Dec 2005, 23:07 (Ref:1489005)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kicking-back

I think Red Bull will win a race in 2006.

They'll be routinely quicker than Ferrari.

That would really shake things up! Maybe Shumy would decide to go to RBR for 2007. Considering most people think RBR is only going to get better in 2007 with the help of Newey.

SpawnyWhippet · 26 Dec 2005, 12:26 (Ref:1490172)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kicking-back

I think Red Bull will win a race in 2006.

Only if the McLarens, Renaults, Toyotas and MS fall off.

DKGandBH · 22 Dec 2005, 22:30 (Ref:1488977)

not going on the testing times....

DKGandBH

Kicking-back · 22 Dec 2005, 22:33 (Ref:1488978)

Too early to tell anything from testing times.

Red Bull haven't tested their new car alongside the 2006 Ferrari.

sr230772 · 22 Dec 2005, 22:39 (Ref:1488981)

i thought williams switched to bridgestones this year?

maltafan · 22 Dec 2005, 22:50 (Ref:1488989)

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Originally Posted by sr230772

i thought williams switched to bridgestones this year?

Yes they did in fact. I think that the disagvantage from Michelin is going to be mitigated due to the fact that tyre changes during the race are allowed in 2006 and B/s were better on shorter stints.

Kicking-back · 22 Dec 2005, 22:45 (Ref:1488985)

Yes they have.

Which is all the more reason to think RBR will be faster - I believe Michelin will make a huge push to go out in dominant style.

Jordi · 22 Dec 2005, 23:00 (Ref:1488996)

I think BMW Sauber will be on top of the two

KE30MAN · 22 Dec 2005, 23:42 (Ref:1489019)

I also rate Webber over DC. Klein and Nico will be an interesting battlr.

Boro · 23 Dec 2005, 04:48 (Ref:1489091)

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Originally Posted by KE30MAN

I also rate Webber over DC. Klein and Nico will be an interesting battlr.

wake me up when mw wins a race

Canberra>karter · 23 Dec 2005, 19:29 (Ref:1489445)

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Originally Posted by Boro

wake me up when mw wins a race

Wake me up when MW has a championship winning team, but loses the drivers title to his teammate twice

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