Some good news for racing fans

Marbot · 26 Dec 2006, 12:11 (Ref:1799357)

Fisi and Massa say that braking with the new tyres is a whole new ball game.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/56094

**Bononi** · 26 Dec 2006, 13:57 (Ref:1799395)

Great ! Until they get used to it...

FPV GTHO · 26 Dec 2006, 14:27 (Ref:1799410)

You'd think 2005 would give them a fair bit of data on how to work harder compound tyres. Braking included.

Knowlesy · 26 Dec 2006, 14:30 (Ref:1799411)

I forecast, by Melbourne, this will be a non-issue! Every year in testing there is some new "trouble" that the drivers and teams discover, only for it to dissapear by the time they first line up on the grid.

BootsOntheSide · 26 Dec 2006, 15:08 (Ref:1799422)

Sadly I think knowlesey is right, they have plenty of testing time left to work out how to get the most out of the tyres. A few more spins than usual in the early races are possible, but not by mid-season.

Suze · 26 Dec 2006, 15:43 (Ref:1799435)

Maybe Knowles...but I'm sure some will use it as one of their first excuses as to why they haven't won / done as well as they hoped!

Kieran20 · 26 Dec 2006, 15:45 (Ref:1799436)

what exactly is the difference between the old tyres and the new? just levels in grip?

yes, all the drivers will get used to this, its like all changes, it takes a bit to get used to.

Knowlesy · 26 Dec 2006, 15:46 (Ref:1799438)

Oh definitely, it's already been penned into the excuses book I'm sure!

Marbot · 26 Dec 2006, 16:59 (Ref:1799459)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

Oh definitely, it's already been penned into the excuses book I'm sure!

By Fisi and Massa for a start!

Let's not get too disheartened,2005 was a good year (no pun intended) for overtaking.

Marbot · 26 Dec 2006, 17:08 (Ref:1799462)

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

You'd think 2005 would give them a fair bit of data on how to work harder compound tyres. Braking included.

Doesn't matter how much data you have,you can't alter the laws of physics.

Teretonga · 26 Dec 2006, 21:19 (Ref:1799542)

It will only be relevant if it increases braking distances by 50+ metres and the tyres are harder to 'read'. Then it may make a difference to passing opportunities but until then....
Brundles recent comments about driving a current car in the wet (he couldn't believe how much grip the car had) indicate that we are in an age where the technology has taken over and the whole nature of 'race driving' has changed.
F1's 'golden era' has passed and without a reversion to a formula that puts the emphsis back on the driver we will not see such an age again. As long as F1 remains as a 'technology' based formula the driver will be secondary to the engineering.

Marbot · 27 Dec 2006, 01:21 (Ref:1799663)

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Originally Posted by Teretonga

It will only be relevant if it increases braking distances by 50+ metres and the tyres are harder to 'read'. Then it may make a difference to passing opportunities but until then....

Fisi used the words "enormous" and "radically",but he's not really known for his late braking skills.

Flat12-Aircool · 27 Dec 2006, 01:28 (Ref:1799670)

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Originally Posted by martyn bott

By Fisi and Massa for a start!

Let's not get too disheartened,2005 was a good year (no pun intended) for overtaking.

Er, no it wasn't really.

Remember Ciro Pabon's chart at the top of this thread...

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...t=91996&page=4

Marbot · 27 Dec 2006, 01:46 (Ref:1799678)

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Originally Posted by Flat12-Aircool

Er, no it wasn't really.

Remember Ciro Pabon's chart at the top of this thread...

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...t=91996&page=4

Err.......well maybe not.....maybe the quality was better.

Looking at that chart it's hard to put a finger on why other years were so much better.Is it tyres,tracks,cars or drivers?

Armco Bender · 27 Dec 2006, 04:28 (Ref:1799708)

Supposedly "best" drivers in the world,paid bizillions of dollars,they should be able to figure out a new tyre compound,thats what the big monies for.

Raglanparade · 27 Dec 2006, 08:01 (Ref:1799755)

I still think they should put some Bridgestone road tyres on the cars.. and then see how well they brake.

Sodemo · 27 Dec 2006, 12:58 (Ref:1799892)

I seem to recall Anthony Davidson saying that the 2005 cars were like driving "a big formula ford" during the winter 2004 tests...

No doubt the teams will just increase the downforce to compensate for the lack of mechanical grip.

Pingguest · 27 Dec 2006, 15:22 (Ref:1799937)

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Originally Posted by The Monster

No doubt the teams will just increase the downforce to compensate for the lack of mechanical grip.

I'm afraid they will do so. I predict that most fans will hanker to the tyre war by mid-season.

Marbot · 27 Dec 2006, 16:23 (Ref:1799963)

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Originally Posted by Pingguest

I predict that most fans will hanker to the tyre war by mid-season.

More downforce 'and' stickier tyres.I'll be praying for that! *not*

Having to rely on tyre manufacturers to provide the racing is a sorry state of affairs indeed!

Marbot · 27 Dec 2006, 16:35 (Ref:1799964)

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Originally Posted by The Monster

I seem to recall Anthony Davidson saying that the 2005 cars were like driving "a big formula ford" during the winter 2004 tests....

I think Ferrari and Bridgestone fell for that one.

Pingguest · 27 Dec 2006, 19:35 (Ref:1800030)

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyn bott

Having to rely on tyre manufacturers to provide the racing is a sorry state of affairs indeed!

Hmm, at least we had suppliers to provide some racing. Without the tyre war, I can't see anything to happen except pure 'stratego-races'.

Knowlesy · 27 Dec 2006, 19:58 (Ref:1800036)

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Originally Posted by martyn bott

Having to rely on tyre manufacturers to provide the racing is a sorry state of affairs indeed!

No, it isn't. It is a variable like any other....like drivers, engines, car designs etc.... The more variables, the more chance of excitement.

We didn't rely on tyre manufacturers for racing anyways. They were just a part of it, albeit the part that could vary most (usually unexpectedly).

I shall miss Michelin.

Sodemo · 27 Dec 2006, 23:08 (Ref:1800138)

You have to admit though, it was getting to a rather ridiculous state of affairs in terms of how soft the tyres were becoming, thus increasing the amount of "marbles" by mid-race. Do you recall the Canadian GP? Offline it was like an ice rink. I seem to remember JV having a massive accident as a direct result, and Kimi having some rallycross style slides at the hairpin.
In that respect, harder tyres can only be a good thing, now we just need to reduce the aero influence in the correct manner.

Marbot · 28 Dec 2006, 00:42 (Ref:1800178)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pingguest

Without the tyre war, I can't see anything to happen except pure 'stratego-races'.

No change there then.

Marbot · 28 Dec 2006, 00:50 (Ref:1800181)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

The more variables, the more chance of excitement.

Only when the quicker variables start from the back of the grid.

Invariably this doesn't happen a lot.Unless the Great leveler 'Mr Weather' puts in an appearance.

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