|
||||||||||
|
||||||||||
2 Nov 2009, 16:52 (Ref:2574247) | #26 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 2,132
|
|||
__________________
"Racing is Life. Anything before or after is just waiting" |
2 Nov 2009, 17:00 (Ref:2574255) | #27 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 4,742
|
Avon, yes, maybe - the only F1 tyre manufacturer without a win. Dunlop are part of Goodyear, though, and they're in financial trouble
|
||
|
2 Nov 2009, 17:17 (Ref:2574264) | #28 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,607
|
Quote:
|
|||
|
2 Nov 2009, 17:25 (Ref:2574269) | #29 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,699
|
Well I suppose if they want to push tyres for Golf Buggies it is.
|
||
__________________
You can't polish a turd but you sure can sprinkle it with glitter! |
2 Nov 2009, 18:09 (Ref:2574295) | #30 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 2,193
|
Maybe Continental, reviving Englebert brand...
|
||
__________________
Think, then act. Don't act, then think. -Jamie Hyneman |
2 Nov 2009, 18:15 (Ref:2574298) | #31 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 12,483
|
The thing to remember with Falken (and many other tyre manufacturers I guess) is that they are part of a rubber company that manufactures more than just tyres for cars.
My thought on the Falken situation is that at Sumitomo level they get worldwide exposure from tennis and golf balls (and associated equipment) without the outlay to design performance tyres for motorsport. Last edited by crmalcolm; 2 Nov 2009 at 18:17. Reason: To try and make sense!! |
||
__________________
"When you’re just too socially awkward for real life, Ten-Tenths welcomes you with open arms. Everyone has me figured out, which makes it super easy for me." |
2 Nov 2009, 18:24 (Ref:2574302) | #32 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 11,292
|
I dont remember what happened to Goodyear after 1998, would someone mind enlightening me on their plight?
|
||
|
2 Nov 2009, 18:35 (Ref:2574310) | #33 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 4,742
|
Quote:
They actually announced their withdrawal like Bridgestone - a year in advance |
|||
|
2 Nov 2009, 19:36 (Ref:2574356) | #34 | |
Racer
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 197
|
Bridgestone announced factory closures down under several weeks back, job lay-offs, etc.
Only saw comment in financial pages at the time, didn't seem to raise any interest in any other area, like, say, what about motor sport. |
|
|
2 Nov 2009, 21:16 (Ref:2574445) | #35 | ||
Racer
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 338
|
I really don't understand why a tire supplier should have to "pay" dearly for their involvement in a sport. Yes, their product could be offered at a discounted rate, and the company would spend money on advertisement, but all parties involved (besides "sponsors") in the sport should see some direct compensation for their efforts. I am guessing the problem here is how much of F1's revenue that is leaving the sport. Just like a team pays Brembo dearly for the best of the best in technology in braking, they should be paying for tires. On the same note, the FOM should be paying the teams so that they can sustain their spending in the sport (that FOM shouldn't really be involved in).
|
||
|
2 Nov 2009, 22:04 (Ref:2574479) | #36 | |
Rookie
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 12
|
My understanding is that F1 is a single tyre supplier formula, in the interests of cost savings. Michelin declined to tender for the contract and withdrew from F1 leaving Bridgestone as sole supplier.
Tyre suppliers have a contractural obligation to give 12 months notice of withdrawal. |
|
|
2 Nov 2009, 22:40 (Ref:2574505) | #37 | ||
Race Official
20KPINAL
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 23,742
|
I put this on the "Tyres for 2010" thread, maybe the threads should merge?
Bridgestone/Firestone already supply the Indy Car series and the feeder Firestone Indy Lights series. I don't know what the Indy Car series tyre costs per team are but for the Indy Lights series it's 3 sets per race at $1,306 per set, $50,900 a year and nearly $4 million in prize money was handed out in the 2009. So somewhere along the line Bridgestone have worked out that the Indy Car and Indy Lights series are more cost affective than F1. As for marketing, the Americas must seem the better option. |
||
__________________
"If you're not winning you're not trying." Colin Chapman. |
2 Nov 2009, 23:08 (Ref:2574530) | #38 | ||
Racer
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 173
|
whoever it is, do you think that they will make tires as good as bridgestone did?
|
||
|
2 Nov 2009, 23:11 (Ref:2574532) | #39 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,348
|
Never going to happen, but I'd hope they find noone willing to supply all the teams/race against themselves and are forced to drop the single supplier rule...
|
|
|
3 Nov 2009, 05:37 (Ref:2574660) | #40 | |
Racer
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 197
|
||
|
3 Nov 2009, 06:07 (Ref:2574665) | #41 | |
Racer
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 197
|
Going a bit further....for some reason I never felt the playing field (read circuit) was quite level as far as horses for courses was concerned...
|
|
|
3 Nov 2009, 07:55 (Ref:2574717) | #42 | ||
Rookie
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 2
|
Try something different
I really think the Koreans might be interested. Hankook have been dipping a toe in the water in the UK for a few years now. I remember all sorts of jokes when they first backed the Porsche 924 cup in the mid ninties but they have done a solid job. Kumho similarly have learned the ropes with the BMW series in Britain. It is a big step up for them but I don't think it is impossible.
From a business and marketing point of view it might make sense. Toyota have stated their intention to challenge Hyundai in their home market and what better way to retaliate that to take over from Japan's number 1 tyre manufacturer on the biggest stage of all. Furthermore F1 increasingly relies on Asian markets and sponsors so it makes more sense to develop capacity there than to return to Michelin or Goodyear. The FIA need to try to use the years notice they have been given to broker a deal which would provide funds for a new manufacturer to develop the manufacturing and logistical capacity to service F1 and then perhaps some licensing arrangement for core technologies or secondment of key people from Bridgestone until a newcomer has learned the ropes and can do it independently. One other issue that arises will be the testing ban in F1. A new tyre supplier invariably increases the amount of testing teams need to do especially if the supplier is new to F1. Some way to deal with this has to be thrashed out by FOTA to stop costs going stratospheric again whilst at the same time providing a level playing field and ensuring tyre safety. Jokes aside don't discount the Chinese either. China has numerous tyre manufacturers. They are smarting from American anti dumping tarriffs and allegations in the American media about junk products. One of them might be tempted to use F1 as a way to make a nationalistic political point. The Chinese government is committed to backing auto industry acquisitions abroad e.g Hummer and a bid by Geely to buy Volvo. They are desperate to short cut the acquisition of high tech industries to move China up the value added chain and will use state control of the financial markets to facilitate this. I doubt if the Chinese governemnt has the vision to see the opportunity of having the F1 tyre supplier by themselves. But if it was pointed out to them with the right back up package of money and technical support I think they could be tempted. |
||
|
3 Nov 2009, 16:20 (Ref:2574994) | #43 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,834
|
Hmmm. How much does one have to bung Bernie to be the "Official Tyre Supplier"?
I reckon I could rebadge some old Avons... |
||
__________________
Tim Yorath Ecurie Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch Fan of "the sacred monster Christophe Bouchut"... |
3 Nov 2009, 17:27 (Ref:2575031) | #44 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 5,703
|
Quote:
Didn't Avon step in to supply tyres a very long time ago when Goodyear were unable to for some reason (industrial action?)? And at that time didn't Bernie own the company who distributed them? I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable and with a better memory than me will be along soon to put me out of my misery! |
|||
__________________
Incognito: An Italian phrase meaning Nice Gearchange! |
3 Nov 2009, 17:33 (Ref:2575034) | #45 | |
Retired
20KPINAL
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 22,897
|
I remember that 'Stoddy's' Minardi team were stuck with Avons one winter when he had neither a contract with Bridgestone nor Michelin.
|
|
|
3 Nov 2009, 19:31 (Ref:2575116) | #46 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 4,496
|
Reading through Bridgestones announcement I began to woinder how much the election of Todt as FIA president might have to do with the withdrawal of various sponsors and companies from F1.
If the opportunity for a new era was with Ari, and instead more of the same from Mr Todt, does the withdrawal of Bridgestone and other companies retrenchment reflect not just the current recession, but also a lack of confidence in the present management and direction of the sport.... In the 80's and 90's Japan had a love affair with F1, Senna being notably idolised. That seems to be no longer the case between the Japanese public and F1. While the recession has hit the manufacturers hard is the withdrawal also a sign that the F1 star is waning. If the election of someone who represents the 'old guard' rather than the 'new wave', how much is that reflected in the decisions of companies which would ultimately be made on the basis of economics and marketing. |
|
|
3 Nov 2009, 20:31 (Ref:2575149) | #47 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 1,236
|
The fact I find most interesting is that in 2011 we'll finally get the oldschool F1 of no refuelling and no need for mandatory soft tyre/hard tyre switch, which was written into the rules to please Bridgestone so at least they'd get a bit of publicity out of the difference in compounds etc.
So maybe some drivers will risk the whole race on one set of tyres and some will dare to switch. Also I'm worried this'll just be a marketing excercise and then we'll get an announcement that Firestone will be taking up the contract to increase awareness of that brand... |
||
__________________
We need to win like you need to breathe.... |
4 Nov 2009, 09:14 (Ref:2575443) | #48 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,512
|
well if nobody files for the supply contract; F1 should pay to have tires, and this could be attractive for any supplier
|
||
__________________
You got to learn how to fall, before you learn to fly P.Simon |
4 Nov 2009, 10:17 (Ref:2575484) | #49 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 2,132
|
Toyota gone now as well.
|
||
__________________
"Racing is Life. Anything before or after is just waiting" |
4 Nov 2009, 15:30 (Ref:2575669) | #50 | ||
Racer
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 338
|
|||
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
[Rumours] Who (if any) will be the next manufacturer to quit F!? Does F1 need them anyway? | Gingers4Justice | Formula One | 1 | 20 Aug 2009 09:48 |
Official: Bridgestone for 2008-2010 | KevinS | Formula One | 45 | 6 Jul 2006 21:01 |
Renault F1 director to quit F1 | mark_l | Formula One | 4 | 13 Mar 2006 22:36 |
Renault to Quit F1? | JAG | Formula One | 60 | 10 Jun 2004 12:19 |
Alesi to quit F1? | LucaBadoer | Formula One | 14 | 31 May 2001 17:34 |