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Old 20 Aug 2013, 01:18 (Ref:3291904)   #1
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Round 11 - Belgian Grand Prix (merged)

Please add to Frostie's thread when he gets his previews up!

The resumption of the Formula One season after the summer break will see 9 races take place in a little over three months. Fast and furious action then, much like what we should expect in Belgium this weekend.

After three and a half weeks of staring at the latest silly drivers market rumours, I am delighted to be able to actually write somethig that is not pure speculation or guesswork. The Belgian Grand Prix will take place this coming weekend, and there will be racing. Good racing.

The first big question that needs answering at Spa is the one posed in the tortoise and the hare approaches taken by the challenging teams. Mercedes have slowly dragged themselves into contention, following a series of races where they have looked superb pace-wise, but inconsistent tyre-wise. Arguably the quickest car on a single lap on Saturdays, this won't benefit either Lewis or Nico particularly well, should either of them take top spot in qualifying. The relative ease in overtaking at Spa-Francorchamps should see the Red Bulls be the dominant car this weekend.

The 'tortoise' approach I'm referring to, is the one taken by Lotus. Yet again, in Hungary, Kimi Raikkonen went for the strategy of spending less time in the pits, and while this netted him second place on that occasion, it is only thanks to the nature of the Hungaroring. Such a tactic will fail at Spa. A conservative approach, trying to eke the tyres out in the last few laps, will only send the Lotuses spiralling down the order, should they try it on the sweeping, high speed Belgian circuit.

Ferrari's recent fall from the top to 4th or 5th fastest team will also be in the spotlight this weekend. A dismal performance at Spa will incur the wrath of the Italian media and public ahead of their home race at Monza, with the pressure rising in particular on Fernando Alonso, Felipe Massa & Stefano Domenicalli for their perceived lack of performance. It is the relationship between the Scuderia and Fernando Alonso that is under intense scrutiny at the moment, with Alonso referring to himself on Twitter as a 'insulted warrior', and Montezemelo warning that 'Drivers come and go, Ferrari stays'. The possible reason for this pressure is due to the rumours surrounding the movements of Kimi Raikkonen.

Alonso has been placed in a very awkward position by these rumours. Fernando has failed to land a WDC at Ferrari, and should Massa be replaced by the Finn, it is Kimi, not Fernando, who has won the most recent title for Ferrari. Even if Fernando attempts to veto the move, in reality there is little he can do, as he is under contract at Ferrari, and cannot leave without severe repercussions financially, as well as the big question...where would he go? Ferrari desire championships, and the Alonso/Raikkonen partnership would possibly be the most formidable on the grid. With formidable partnerships, comes formidable results, but Alonso's past with competitive team-mates doesn't paint the Spaniard in a good light.

More likely to be announced this weekend, is the appointment of Daniel Ricciardo in Red Bull's 'Subservient Australian' role. It's unlikely to be unveiled as such, but with the Raikkonen/Red Bull deal off, it's all but definitive that it will be the young Australian slotting in beside Sebastian Vettel next year.

This weekend also marks three years since Sebastian Vettel's last significant collision with a competitor. Running into Jenson Button at the chicane in 2010 earned Sebastian the wrath of the pitlane, as well as being branded a 'crashkid', having had a few notable incidents during that season. Since that moment, the slight question mark over Vettel's overtaking abilities has disappeared, almost as if Vettel drew a line in the sand after Spa 2010 and raised his game to where he is now, still unreachable at the head of the pack.

Vettel will leave Spa as leader of the championship, regardless of what happens, and it's very difficult to see either Raikkonen or Alonso closing the gap, unless their teams figure out a lot of pace quite quickly. It is more possible to see Lewis Hamilton close the gap though. Mercedes are downplaying their strength as they enter the second half, as well as openly saying that results in Spa and Monza will determine when they shut down their programs for 2013, but one gets the feeling there is a lot of cautious optimism bubbling under the surface at Mercedes. The cars pace is good,and, more importantly, Lewis appears relaxed and happy with his racing and leaving his emotional baggage at home...something he appeared unable to do in 2011. The psychological pendulum has swung in Lewis's favour in recent weeks and it will be a real test of Nico Rosberg's mettle whether he can rise to the gauntlet that the Mercedes newcomer has thrown down.

The weather, which usually plays a part in Belgium, is expected to be changeable on Sunday, which means glorious sunshine at the start/finish line, and a monsoon at Blanchimont. Lotus, in particular, do not appear to be comfortable with damp conditions, and for this, I am ruling them out of contention for the victory. I don't believe Ferrari will have resolved all their pace issues within the break, and as a result, I don't believe Alonso will fight for the win either.

My prediction for this weekend: Vettel vs. Hamilton, with Raikkonen, Webber & Alonso duelling for 3rd spot. Let us know your predictions in the comments below.
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My prediction for this weekend: Vettel vs. Hamilton, with Raikkonen, Webber & Alonso duelling for 3rd spot. Let us know your predictions in the comments below.
You've forgotten Rosberg. He runs well here - remember 2011?
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You've forgotten Rosberg. He runs well here - remember 2011?
Come on JB , remember 2012 ? Don't laugh ! Three and a half weeks they should have solved the cars problems ( fingers ,toes, arms and legs crossed) if not this season is a write off .
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Spa-Franchomps is probably the best circuit in the F1 calendar nowadays, even with the altered Bus Stop chicane. I was watching the 1994 race last night(the one with the "wooden plank" controversy) and was watching the cars race through the "altered Eau Rouge" - it looked ghastly. Nowadays though, the cars can take the original Eau Rouge flat easily, but Pouhon still gives them a challenge.

I do think that perhaps now, Mercedes are Red Bulls main challengers, especially as they have got on top of the tyres(testing or no testing withstanding). I do however, think that the championship is Vettel's to lose rather than Hamilton's to win. Vettel still has Mr. Newey on his team and also a large points lead. Places like Abu Dhabi and Singapore might favour the Red Bull.
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Come on JB , remember 2012 ? Don't laugh ! Three and a half weeks they should have solved the cars problems ( fingers ,toes, arms and legs crossed) if not this season is a write off .
I don't know about that, with the factories being shut. Hopefully someone had a brainwave. And I'm a huge Button fan. If conditions are tricky he'll be a threat for the win. Meanwhile I think Sauber could score points here, if not at Monza, with potentially both drivers as they are rapid in a straight line. Those thin sidepods are doing something towards that...
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Meanwhile, early forecasts predict a sunny Friday with a cloudy/wet Saturday - keep your eyes on this! http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/7535477
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Should be a fantastic race!


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great great track. the low downforce requirements for the long straights balanced against the need for as much grip as possible to take Eau Rouge and Pouhon at full speed has meant (certainly in the last few years anyways) the mid field teams really have a chance to shine here.

so i might be more excited for quali then the race (last year was pretty sweet with 2 Saubers and a Williams in the top 5) and regardless of whether its wet or dry i expect to see similar surprises this year.

as always i expect the Force India's to do well and am hopeful Sauber and Williams get a chance to turn their seasons around as well.

also a little nervous for Ricciardo...he is going to experience a level of scrutiny he has not seen before. good luck to him.

i guess the trend here is that for this race i have more interest in the mid field teams then those at the sharp end. sadly this year i have to include Mclaren in that group and if you add changing weather conditions i have to agree with andy666 about JB. even if they havent solved their problems this track could hide them enough for a victory.

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Anyone for a clash right in the first corner ?
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Anyone for a clash right in the first corner ?
Yes - I reckon it might be between the poleman and the second placed runner. So, I am thinking that it'll be Vettel and Hamilton. They seem to have some sort of rivalry going, what with Hamilton's little comments in the press about "Vettel having the best car for such a long time.", "Having it easy in F1." and "Being the new Mansell", etc. They have never crashed into one another - yet. It might make things interesting. Although, it will mean that Vettel still has a massive points lead.
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Nowadays though, the cars can take the original Eau Rouge flat easily, but Pouhon still gives them a challenge.

Whilst the cars have much more grip now, what nobody wants to admit is that eau rouge isn't the original corner. It's much straighter now, still challenging for most, but the apex on the right turn is much earlier than it used to be. This was required to make some space on the outside for runoff as the old outside barrier couldn't be moved.

It's still a heart in mouth corner, but not what it was.
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Should be a fantastic race!


Classic picture.

I was watching a video about the 65 Honda F1 car and then realised how small they were... about the size of an 70's or 80's FF car with wider tyres...

They were tiny compared to current F1 cars.
So looking at your photo I then realised just what an incredible drive Spa was in a 1965 F1 car.....
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Some Belgian GP facts!

This will be the 58th Belgian Grand Prix since the Formula One World Championship started in 1950.

Hosted by three circuits in its time; Spa, Zolder and Nivelles.

Many people aren't complimentary about how forgiving some of the newer circuits are, but this wasn't just a modern Formula One problem. The Nivelles circuit was a revolver-shaped layout with big run-offs designed to be a safe alternative to Spa-Francorchamps, but the drivers hated the boring seven-corner layout so much that after two visits in 1972 and 1974, they never returned to it again.

Spa-Francorchamps is the longest circuit on the 2013 calendar.

A Belgian driver is yet to win his home Grand Prix.

There are no Belgians on this years grid, the last being Jerome D'Ambrosio, who replaced Grosjean during his one-race ban for causing a multi-car pile-up at last year Belgian Grand Prix.

Red Bull Racing

Best Result: 1st (x1)
Pole positions: 2
Fastest Laps: 2
Podiums: 5

Both Red Bull driver share the lead for most fastest laps this season, with Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber having three apiece.

Mark Webber has never won the Belgian Grand Prix.

Ferrari

Best Result: 1st (x16)
Pole positions: 13
Fastest Laps: 16
Podiums: 46

The 1982 Belgian Grand Prix was where one of Ferraris most gifted drivers, Giles Villeneuve, lost his life in a fatal accident during the final qualifying session.

Fernando Alonso has never won the Belgian Grand Prix, although he has a second and third place finish to his name.

McLaren

Best Result: 1st (x14)
Pole positions: 11
Fastest Laps: 9
Podiums: 28

The Belgian Grand Prix is the 50th Grand Prix entry for Sergio Perez.

Jenson Button claimed his one and only pole position on his way to victory for McLaren at last years Belgian Grand Prix.

McLaren hold the record for the most consecutive Belgian Grand Prix won in a row, with a five-race run from 1987 to 1991.

Lotus

Best Result: 3rd (x1)
Pole positions: 0
Fastest Laps: 0
Podiums: 1

Kimi Raikkonen is the only multiple Belgian Grand Prix winner on the grid, having won this prestigious event four times.

Romain Grosjean claimed his highest qualifying position of the season last time out in Hungary with 3rd place.

Last year at Spa, Romain Grosjean became the first driver since 1994 to receive a race ban.

Mercedes

Best Result: 1st (x1)
Pole positions: 0
Fastest Laps: 1
Podiums: 2

Last time out, Lewis Hamilton became the first British driver to win for Mercedes since Stirling Moss in 1955.

Nico Rosberg has finished 6th three times at the Belgian Grand Prix, but has never finished higher than that.

Despite this being their best season since the rebirth of the Mercedes badge, they have yet to register a single fastest lap this season, underlining their race-pace struggles experienced earlier on in the season.

Sauber

Best Result: 3rd (x1)
Pole positions: 0
Fastest Laps: 0
Podiums: 1

Jean Alesi scored Saubers only Belgian podium in the chaotic race of 1998.

The 2013 Belgian Grand Prix marks the 50th entry into a Grand Prix for Nico Hulkenburg. This is, however, not his 50th Grand Prix start, having failed to make the start of this Australian Grand Prix.

Spa is also the place where Hulkenburg recorded his highest ever finish, with a 4th place in last years race.

Force India

Best Result: 2nd (x1)
Pole positions: 1
Fastest Laps: 0
Podiums: 1

The 2009 version of the Belgian Grand Prix saw the first pole position, points and podium for Force India, all achieved by Italian Giancarlo Fisichella.

The Belgian Grand Prix will be the 50th Formula One entry and start for Paul di Resta, having started back in 2011.

Williams

Best Result: 1st (x4)
Pole positions: 8
Fastest Laps: 6
Podiums: 16

Barring no disasters, Pastor Maldonado will also compete in his 50th Grand Prix this weekend, all of which were raced for Williams. Coincidently, Spa was where Pastor also scored his first Formula One point in 2011.

The one point scored in the last races ends Williams run without a point, which lasted 10 races. They were a few races away from their longest run without a point (13 races), which happened across their first two seasons in the sport.

The last fastest lap achieved by Williams was done so at last years Belgian Grand Prix by Bruno Senna, that was the first one since the 2009 Australian Grand Prix.

Toro Rosso

Best Result: 5th (x1)
Pole positions: 0
Fastest Laps: 0
Podiums: 0

In their previous guise as Minardi, the Faenza-based squad never scored a point in Belgium.

In the rain-affected last laps of the 2008 race, Sebastian Bourdais gambled on dry tyres and ran as high as third (which would've been the teams first podium) before being unable to hold the field behind him and dropped to 7th on the last lap.

Caterham

Best Result: 14th (x1)
Pole positions: 0
Fastest Laps: 0
Podiums: 0

In the last race in Hungary, Giedo van der Garde claimed his best result of the season, finishing 14th ahead of team mate Charles Pic and both Marussias.

After Pastor Maldonados 10th place finish in Hungary, Charles Pic is now the only non-rookie on the grid who has not scored a point.

Marussia

Best Result: 15th
Pole positions: 0
Fastest Laps: 0
Podiums: 0

Max Chilton now props up the Drivers Championship on position countback after Geido van der Gardes 14th place.

Julie's Bianchis father, Julien, is actually of Belgian nationality. He managed to score two points in two separate Belgian Grand Prix in 1960 and 1968.

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There's always slight contact, and depending on the weather then things could go horribly wrong.
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There's always slight contact, and depending on the weather then things could go horribly wrong.

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Getting back to the race, it seems that the teams will get a dry Friday, whilst rain will arrive for Saturday for the afternoon. For Sunday, the rain may well linger on, with light showers in between sunny spells for what looks like a few hours each side of 12:00 midday. That's the latest weather, so it looks like this one could go JB's way!
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Round 11 - Belgian Grand Prix

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After the four week summer break Formula 1 actions resumes this weekend with the Belgium Grand Prix at Spa-Francorchamps. Sebastian Vettel is in pole position to claim a fourth consecutive world title with the German holding a 38 point lead over Kimi Raikkonen in the standings.
Having endured a slump in fortunes Raikkonen bounced back with two runner up finishes in the last two races and the Finn now needs to build on that momentum if he is to win a second world title. Raikkonen is two points ahead of Fernando Alonso but with Ferrari now off the pace it’s likely that Alonso will fall off the championship radar and the season will distill to Raikkonen and Lewis Hamilton trying to close down the gap to Vettel.
The German has been imperious in 2013 with only a mechanical failure in Britain costing him points. At the other nine races he has finished in the top four and even though Mercedes have a faster car in qualifying the Red Bull has been superb on Sunday’s. The recent trend however has clearly pointed to Mercedes now having gotten to terms with the Pirelli tyres and with three wins in five races the Brackley squad are well placed to win more races in the coming months.
Even so it’s difficult to see how Vettel can lose the title at this point but with Spa historically throwing up unexpected results nothing can be discounted this weekend and a Vettel retirement could put the car amongst the pigeons in terms of the championship.
The summer break is over and the next three months are filled with racing so it’s time to sit back, relax and enjoy Formula 1 again!
The Spa-Francorchamps Circuit


At over four miles long Spa is a majestic ribbon of tarmac that weaves its way through the Ardennes forest to provide drivers with one of the most challenging circuits of the season. Drivers love the historic Belgian venue which has played host to the sport on 45 previous occasions, including the inaugural F1 championship of 1950.
Since then the track layout has changed from the original nine mile configuration to the current layout but crucially the character has remained the same. With so many of the same corners in use, such as La Source and Eau Rouge to start the lap, we can see the likes of Vettel and Hamilton on the same track as Fangio and Farina in 1950.
Spa is a race that drivers and fans all look forward to. It's one of the few remaining circuits that truly reveal the sheer speed and thrill of a Formula 1 car in full flight. All races may be worth the same amount of points in the final standings but Spa-like Monaco, Silverstone or Monza-has a special place in the heart of all racers and this weekend seems to mean more than some others.
Williams' have struggled in 2013 but having scored points for the first time at the previous Grand Prix in Hungary the team are looking forward to building some momentum at Spa. This is the type of track that suits Pastor Maldonado's aggressive and on-the-limit driving style and the Venezuelan is looking forward to this weekend.
Speaking about Spa the Grand Prix winner said:
"Spa is one of my favourite circuits because it has so much history and is so fun to drive," commented Maldonado. "It's a very technical and fast circuit and you find a very wide range of corners there: uphill, downhill, very slow, medium, fast, short and long corners. It's the most complete track of the season and this tests you as a driver and also tests the car's setup.
"It also has the famous Eau Rouge corner which puts a lot of G force and pressure on your body. You feel this even more during qualifying when you are low on fuel and are trying to get the most from the car. Two years ago I picked up my first point in Formula One here and hopefully I will be in the points again this weekend."

Sauber have also struggled to build on a promising campaign last year and with Nico Hulkenberg having once again stated that he does not regret joining the team the German will be pleased to get back on track this weekend and hopefully see some improvements.
Hulkenberg echoed the thoughts of Maldonado by saying:
"I am probably not the only driver to say Spa-Francorchamps is one of my favourite circuits," said the former GP2 champion. "It's a track with a lot of history. It's an old school circuit with great corners like Eau Rouge and Pouhon. I have great memories from last year; it was my strongest career finish so far finishing fourth, which was really good. In terms of the car, it's important to have a really efficient one.
"There are a lot of medium and high-speed corners, where you need the down force, especially in sector two. But you also need to loose the drag on the straight, because there are long straights, especially out of turn one through Eau Rouge, which is flat, and then again coming back to the start and finish line. There are a lot of straights, so top speed is also important. The Ardennes area of Belgium has a really nice atmosphere and I enjoy going to there."

While Maldonado and Hulkenberg have fond memories of Spa the same cannot be said for Romain Grosjean. The Frenchman, who made his debut at the track in 2009, has been involved in opening lap crashes both times he has started the Belgian race. Last year he triggered one of the most spectacular crashes in memory and was handed a one race ban as punishment.
When asked for his thoughts on the track Grosjean used the word "rollercoaster" and it's an apt comparison for his career in the top flight. The Frenchman has a lightening turn of speed but is still prone to moments of madness that overshadow his clear potential. The final nine races of the season are crucial if he is to maintain his place with the Lotus squad for 2014.
Speaking before the weekend Grosjean however was focusing on Spa and enjoying the thrill of the circuit:
"What a track; it's fantastic!" beamed Grosjean. "It's a superb rollercoaster of a circuit, then there's the added bonus that they speak French meaning it's almost another home race for me after Monaco and Canada. It's going to be good. If we have the pace we displayed in Budapest at a more normal circuit with better overtaking opportunities - and a bit wider track too - then I think good things could well be possible.”
Alonso's title bid on the rocks

It's hard to believe but in 2000 Fernando Alonso was seen as a talented F3000 racer but still not one that was truly ear marked for greatness. The Spaniard was a serial karting champion but in F3000, racing for Astromega, Bruno Junqueria and Nicolas Minassian and Mark Webber were all considered to be better long term prospects than the future double world champion.
Alonso's reputation at the time was possibly hindered by his nationality with Spain regarded as producer of world class motorcyclists rather than single seater racers. Alonso has of course changed that reputation and made Formula 1 hugely popular in Spain. His victory at Spa in 2000 however could be viewed as the day he announced to world just how much potential he had. That day Alonso was untouchable in a race ran in mixed conditions. He was surefooted, consistent and blindingly fast to claim a dominant victory.
Alonso graduated to Formula 1 the following year and his career path was on a constant upward curve. The first blip in his career occurred in 2007 when he moved to McLaren after winning his second title with Renault. Armed with the best car on the grid it was almost impossible to bet against Alonso winning the title with the Woking squad with the Spaniard sure to enjoy a long and successful stint with the team.
History however will remember that the team became Lewis Hamilton's and Alonso returned to Renault. A move to Ferrari in 2010 came with much fanfare but has yet to produce a third title, and only 11 race wins. The team is clearly struggling with development of the car and has fallen off the pace. As a result Alonso's title drought will surely extend to seven seasons.
It is almost inconceivable that a driver of Fernando's talent has not been able to add another title to his name but the fact is that Ferrari are not the force that they were previously and while Alonso has produced some stunning races this year-such as his wins at China and Barcelona-some of the blame for their failures has to also fall at his door.
The team has recently hired James Allison, formally of Lotus, so there are signs of encouragement for the future but it does little to help the team at present. With Ferrari now clearly having fallen off the pace it is difficult to even see Alonso on the rostrum in the coming races and this could be compounded this weekend given Alonso's past form at Spa.
The Spaniard has never won at the track in Formula 1 and has only stood on the podium twice. With the team having struggled with upgrades due to wind tunnel issues and an inability to utilise simulation tools to the same extent of other leading teams means that there is little chance of Fernando being capable of scoring more than a handful of points this weekend.
Can Raikkonen and Lotus maintain form?

Kimi Raikkonen has finished second at the last two Grand Prix with the Finn bouncing back from a disappointing stretch of races that had seemed to signal an end to his championship challenge. Raikkonen finds himself 38 points adrift of Vettel in the championship standings but Spa has traditionally been one of his stronger races with the 2007 champion having won the Belgian GP on four occasions.
Given his past form it's little surprise that he's looking forward to this weekend:
"Usually I've achieved a good result at the Belgian Grand Prix, but what has happened there before doesn't help me right now," said the Finn. "Of course, it doesn't cause any harm either and it would be great to win at Spa for a fifth time. Extra points are always good and if you win the race no-one scores more points than you. There have only been good memories from Spa and it's great to go racing there. It's great to race with a modern racing car at a proper circuit which has such a great tradition."
For Raikkonen to have any chance of winning again at Spa he'll need to qualify better than he has for much of the season. Having struggled to qualify within a second of the pace at times this season Kimi showed a better turn of speed in Germany and Hungary but the Spa was one of the more difficult races for Lotus in 2012 so even though the team has taken a step forward this season this looks set to be one of the more challenging races for Raikkonen.
"A good grid position is extremely important and it will be very decisive at Spa too, even though it is maybe easier to overtake there than at some other tracks. It's crucial to have a good car aerodynamically to tackle the fast corners and it's a long lap, so to get the right time you really need to maintain the best rhythm. Last year we were not very strong there. I think we know the reasons and for sure our car is better this year, but is it good enough to be fighting for a win? We will see on Sunday."
Lotus has a good race car but their qualifying difficulties have given Raikkonen a lot of work to do on Sunday's. If the team has not found a solution to this issue over the summer break closing the gap to Vettel will be impossible.
“I am now back in second which was a good way to enter the summer break. I finished ahead of Seb [Vettel] in Hungary so obviously scored more points than him there. To beat him, we need to be winning races and if we keep finishing second like we've done many times this year it's probably not going to be enough for the championship, but you never know what might happen.”
Can Mercedes maintain momentum?

Mercedes have regularly had the fastest throughout the season over a single lap but since the Monaco Grand Prix the team has won three of the previous five races with Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton both winning races and proving that the team has turned a significant corner in 2013.
Whereas in the past they were unable to solve problems during a season they will now start races as the genuine favourite most weekends. Having struggled early in the season due to chronic tyre wear problems Hamilton's victory in Hungary illustrated just how significantly the team, and Hamilton, has improved this year.
Having clearly been unable to get the most from the car over the first six races of 2013 Hamilton has been in great form over recent races and the Englishman is raring to go this weekend:
"It feels like I have been out of the car for a very long time since the win in Hungary and I can't wait to get going again," said Hamilton. "I was at the factory to meet up with my engineers and get in some practice on the simulator so it was nice to see everyone and to feel the enthusiasm around the factory after the summer break. Spa is a fantastic circuit and it's so much fun to drive. We're all looking forward to the second half of the season and the opportunity to bring home some more good results."
Hamilton is fourth in the championship but he is also the most likely challenger to Vettel for the title. The 2008 champion 48 points behind Vettel so he'll need some luck in the coming races but if Mercedes can maintain their current form more victories could allow him to put some pressure on Vettel. The rivalry between the German and Hamilton has been clear at times in recent years but has mostly been kept in check this season. However if Hamilton can consistently close the points gap we might see the tension return to their relationship.
Having started the season with hopes of winning races they have surpassed all expectations but obviously this has changed the goals for the remainder of the year. AMG Mercedes motorsport's Toto Wolff commented on this during the summer break:
"Our first half of the season exceeded expectations but we will continue to work hard and to improve performance further in the second half. On paper, Spa is a circuit that should suit our car, and Nico and Lewis will be at their best on a real driver's circuit. We have a strong all-round package at the moment and good momentum after our win in Hungary. However, everybody will bring a special low-drag package for this circuit, so we won't know who has found the best compromise before we start running on Friday. We cannot take anything for granted in terms of performance and Spa is always a demanding circuit for reliability. The key will be to do our homework well in practice in order to achieve a strong race result for the team."
Nico Rosberg has won twice in the last five races with victories at Monaco and Silverstone and with overtaking relatively easy at Spa a three stop strategy could be employed by Mercedes to ensure consistent tyre performance throughout the 44 lap race. Given their single lap speed if Rosberg and Hamilton can qualify on the front row they should be the pace setter this weekend.
Speaking before the weekend Rosberg is looking forward to getting back to action:
"Spa is most definitely one of the best tracks of the year and all drivers love racing there," said the German. "It's a great feeling to drive through the fast corners, and particularly taking Eau Rouge at full throttle. The Belgian Grand Prix is always a special one as it's very close to Germany and so a lot of our home fans will be there for the weekend, along with some of my friends. The layout and nature of the track should suit our car, although it does require very low downforce so we will have a different aerodynamic specification to the last race. I can't wait to be back in my Silver Arrow and I hope it will be a successful weekend for us."
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Rookies look forward to Spa

Rookie seasons are always difficult but the current restrictions on testing make it harder than ever for rookies to make an immediate impact in Formula 1. Even so we have seen impressive performances from Valtteri Bottas and Jules Bianchi throughout the season with both drivers rewarding their teams’ faith by outperforming their cars on numerous occasions.
Bianchi has been linked with a move to Ferrari, likely in 2015, such has been his speed and consistency this season and the Frenchman is looking forward to racing close to home once again this weekend:
“On the one hand it is very important for everyone in the sport to have a good long break,” said Bianchi. “On the other hand I was ready to go racing again after just one week! That was three weeks ago now, so I am very much looking forward to Spa this weekend and also to the second half of the season, which is very important for us as we have to give it 100% to ensure we achieve our objectives.
“Over the break I have had the chance to reflect on my debut season so far, think about how I can bring all of that experience together to make me stronger and also focus very hard on my physical condition so that I can perform at my best through the run of long-haul races coming up. It will be good to race at Spa again as it is a fantastic track and it will be very special to get my first taste of it in an F1 car.”

His teammate at Marussia, Max Chilton, has gradually improved throughout the season and having looked out of his depth in some of the earlier races has improved with stronger performances at Silverstone. The Englishman has spent the summer break trying to build up his physical strength and as he reflected on his season thus far he is pleased with his progress:
“I can’t wait for Spa this weekend,” said Chilton. “The break has been a good opportunity to think about the first half of the season but it will be good to be back in the car again. I’m feeling very positive about what we need to do in the remaining nine races and I’m ready for the challenge. Although we haven’t been racing, the break has still been a busy time as I treated it a little like a ‘training camp’ and spent part of it on a pretty intensive physical programme.
“Having raced at Spa a few times now, I’m looking forward to my first experience of driving a Formula 1 car at what is a very special circuit. It’s a different challenge, with the exceptionally long lap and fantastic mix of long straights and high speed corners and it certainly ranks high on my list of favourites.”

With Williams having scored their first point of the season in Hungary Bottas is looking to get his account off the mark this weekend at a track that he has a lot of experience at from other series:
"I first drove at Spa in 2007 in Formula Renault and immediately fell in love with the track,” said the Finn. “It's very high speed, flowing and undulating and gives you a real adrenaline rush. Achieving a good car setup is difficult because of the wide variety of corners, but we will try to get as much information as we can during the practice sessions to find the most appropriate setup for qualifying and the race.
"I've had a good break during the shutdown period but I'm now itching to get back in the car. We have shown some improvements in race pace over the past few races and we know we are heading in the right direction. We will therefore be looking to have another points scoring result this weekend that will give us good momentum for the second half of the season."

At Sauber Esteban Gutierrez has struggled to adapt to an underperforming car that has failed to live up to lofty preseason expectations. He has however had some strong outing, setting fastest lap at Barcelona for example, but with his vastly more experienced teammate, Nico Hulkenberg, having a poor campaign it’s hard to expect much from the Mexican.
Even so racing at Spa is enough to get Gutierrez excited:
"Belgium will be an interesting race with everything we have done to the car during the past GPs,” said the Mexican. “Obviously qualifying in Hungary was not good, because of the time we lost in FP3. But I think we can manage to get into the position we were expecting, which is around P10 in Spa-Francorchamps.
"It is one of the tracks that I enjoy driving the most, because it has a lot of quick corners and it just flows. You can feel the limits of the car at really high speeds. One lap is quite long and sometimes you even face varying weather conditions in different parts of the track - on one side it might be raining, while the other side might be dry. This makes it very challenging and interesting.”

The final rookie on the grid is Giedo van der Garde. The Dutchman almost sneaked through to Q3 in Monaco during the damp conditions and he has showed encouraging pace at times this season in comparison to his teammate, Charles Pic. This weekend is practically a home race for van der Garde and he’s looking forward to racing in front of many of his compatriots who will travel across the border into Belgium:
"Honestly, I’ve been excited about racing in F1 at Spa ever since the start of the season, actually probably for all my life! As there isn’t a Dutch Grand Prix these days the Belgian GP is the closest I have to a home race and I know there’s going to be a lot of orange flags around the track, and a lot of support for me and the team all weekend,” said van der Garde. “I know we’re not going to be in a position to fight at the front of the grid, but we’ll still be pushing as hard as possible to beat our nearest rivals, and after the last race in Hungary I’m confident we can start the second half of the season in a positive way and put on a good show for all the fans who’ll make the trip to Spa. I can’t wait!”
Keys to finding a Spa setup

Whereas in the past Spa was an ultra low downforce configuration it has morphed into a medium downforce track as teams wing elements have been restricted and other cost cutting measures have ensured development of such packages are only applicable for Monza. Even so compromise is key at the Belgian track with a balance needed between straight line speed and grip through the fast corners that dominate the track.
Speaking ahead of this weekend’s race Tom McCullough, Sauber’s Head of Track Engineering, outlined the challenges:
"After the August break the whole team feels refreshed and we are looking forward to the remaining nine races,” said the Englishman. “Spa-Francorchamps is a favourite track for many engineers and drivers as the track requirements are different to the majority of the tracks we visit. The circuit efficiency penalises higher levels of drag so the rear wings will return to the medium levels of downforce.
"As always, we will have to keep an eye on the forecast as this often influences the race weekend in Spa-Francorchamps. The track is made up of primarily medium and high-speed corners with significant flat out sections. Pirelli has selected the medium and hard compounds for our return to Spa."

From a race engineer’s perspective Spa is one of the biggest challenges of the year with the variety of slow, medium and fast corners combined with a need for acceleration and top end power providing the ultimate conundrum.
Xevi Pujolar, Chief Race Engineer at Williams, spoke about this challenge:
"After the August break it is great to be back racing again and the whole team is looking forward to arriving at Spa-Francorchamps this weekend,” said Pujolar. “It is one of the most challenging circuits in the world for both the car and drivers as you see every kind of corner from long flowing curves to twisty chicanes and hairpins. It's one of the fastest circuits with an average speed of 230kph and is also the longest single lap of the year at 7.004km.
"With DRS and the long lap resulting in large differences in tyre degradation between strategies, overtaking is usually easier here than at many other tracks. Weather is often very changeable here and although early forecasts show a chance of rain on Sunday only, this can quickly change.
"Also, given the length of the circuit there is an added challenge in selecting tyres in changeable conditions as certain parts of the circuit can be much wetter than others. Overall, we are looking forward to getting the final races of the season underway."

Formula 1 revolves around Pirelli tyres

Pirelli’s future in Formula 1 is still far from secure with teams voicing concerns that the failure to confirm a supplier is leading to major worries about the development of 2014 machines but for the team mean time Paul Hembery, Pirelli’s motorsport director, is concentrating on ensuring that the Italian manufacturer is prepared for this weekend.
Having come under fire throughout the year the Englishman will be looking for a quiet weekend where racing rather than tyres is the major talking point.
Speaking ahead of this weekend Hembery emphasised the difficulty of Spa where tyres face some of the highest cornering loads of the season:
"Spa is not only an epic circuit, but also one of the biggest challenges for our tyres all year,” said Hembery. “Mostly this is because of the very high-energy loads that go all the way through the tyres, both vertically - due to the big compressions such as Eau Rouge – and also laterally at fast corners like Blanchimont. Often, the tyres are subjected to forces acting in different directions at the same time, which increases the work still further.
"So looking after the tyres is very important, particularly as it's such a long lap. This means that there are a very wide variety of possible strategies available at Spa as well, with plenty of time to be won and lost if the right tactics are chosen. However, any strategy has to be very flexible, because it's the changing weather that often makes Spa such a fascinating race. The conditions can change extremely quickly, which then makes how the teams use the intermediate and wet tyres the key to success – as we have seen so often in the past. Both our wet-weather tyres have proved their performance over previous races; with the intermediate tyre in particular showing how well suited it is even to inconsistent and drying conditions. There are plenty of overtaking opportunities, and the blend of performance and durability offered by our nominated tyres should maximise those chances this weekend."

Weather for this weekend

Nestled within the Ardennes ensures that Spa has a micro climate of its own. Torrential downpours can occur in one spot while a couple of miles away the neighboring towns and villages could be bathed in beautiful sunshine.
Pastor Maldonado spoke about the difficulties that the weather can provide in Belgium:
“The weather can be changeable and because it is such a long track, there are times where the track can be wet in one sector but dry in another which requires the teams to make some difficult strategy decisions.”
The local forecasters are projecting sunshine on Friday and Sunday with a change of scattered showers on Saturday but at Spa teams react to what is happening at any given moment.
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