Petit Le Mans 2012 Entry list discussion/speculation

[The Badger]

Musta been dreaming ..... where the hell did I get that from !!!

Wheres me meds .....................

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

No, it's just saying that the GTE-Pro Ferraris entered in the WEC now have to have a 85-liter fuel tank instead of 90, and the adjustment is effective from the Bahrain round onwards. There is no mention of Petit anywhere in that article.

Un réservoir plus petit pour les Ferrari/AF Corse (GTE-Pro). (20/09)

This is the heading from End-info ..... I assumed the petit was a referance to PLM , My bad !!!

[TF110]

-5 liters from their tank, and -15kg. Will this offset eachother?

[Mal]

Its a shame in a 'technology and efficiency' led championship when someone gets penalised for making their car more efficient.

[lms]

Originally Posted by Mal

Its a shame in a 'technology and efficiency' led championship when someone gets penalised for making their car more efficient.

its only in lmp1 where the most efficient car will win in '14. Its pointless to have a more efficent gte, and if there is such a car the problem should be "corrected"

[pach233]

Originally Posted by lms

its only in lmp1 where the most efficient car will win in '14. Its pointless to have a more efficent gte, and if there is such a car the problem should be "corrected"

Why is it pointless? If anything GTE cars shold be the most road relevant and efficiency is a big topic in the auto industry. Why should they be "corrected?" Ferrari has a great system so let's penalize them to be equal with less clever designs. Redistribution of class wins, goes great with the participation ribbons that are the AM classes.

[Beetle]

Originally Posted by pach233

Why is it pointless? If anything GTE cars shold be the most road relevant and efficiency is a big topic in the auto industry. Why should they be "corrected?" Ferrari has a great system so let's penalize them to be equal with less clever designs. Redistribution of class wins, goes great with the participation ribbons that are the AM classes.

I agree. Cars in GTE should be more directly determined by their marketed counterparts, more than they are now, I should add. I think there should be more of a variation in speed, but a continuing BOP (balance of performance), but allow heavier cars to have more horsepower to gain back some time on the lighter cars down the straights. I mean, should a Viper or BMW M3 be as fast through the corners as a Lotus? No. I think that's one thing the 2014 fusion will really help.

[Maelochs]

"... allow heavier cars to have more horsepower to gain back some time on the lighter cars ..."

That's an idea I really like (but I don't know if it is practical.) I know versions have been tried in the past and I'd love to see it again---let each car have its strengths and weaknesses and balance overall performance.

The problem is track configuration becomes too important--an extra-long straight or a couple extra-tight corners could give one or the other an insurmountable advantage.

[The Badger]

Tinseau in at TDS for PLM . Excellant choice .

http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...nce-13479.html

[Canada ALMS fan]

Ok, so we have the following Euro entries:

P1:
Rebellion Lola Toyota (probably Flybrid)

P2:
Oak Morgan Judd x 1 (second car rumoured)
Greaves Zytek Nissan
Murphy Oreca Nissan
Status Lola Judd
TDS Oreca Nissan

GTE-Am:
IMSA Porsche 997 RSR
AF Corse Ferrari 458

Anyone hearing any others? AMR is out, what about an AF Corse Pro car?

[seanyb505]

I'd doubt a Pro Ferrari. Who will the AM entries be racing against? It will be interesting to see where the qualify in the GT ranks.

[Canada ALMS fan]

Originally Posted by seanyb505

I'd doubt a Pro Ferrari. Who will the AM entries be racing against? It will be interesting to see where the qualify in the GT ranks.

According to Dagys no other entries expected. I believe the GTE-Am are racing just each other as this is a double points round for the ELMS.

[fieldodreams79]

Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

P2:
Oak Morgan Judd x 1 (second car rumoured)
Greaves Zytek Nissan
Murphy Oreca Nissan
Status Lola Judd
TDS Oreca Nissan

GTE-Am:
IMSA Porsche 997 RSR
AF Corse Ferrari 458

Five LMP2s will breath life into the P car race, thankfully. And two very respectable and normally quick GT teams is an added bonus to the class. Can only hope for more, but not looking likely, eh?

[Canada ALMS fan]

Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

Five LMP2s will breath life into the P car race, thankfully. And two very respectable and normally quick GT teams is an added bonus to the class. Can only hope for more, but not looking likely, eh?

It promises to be a great race, but a bittersweet one. I will have mixed emotions. I was not going to attend this year until the ELMS entries were announced. The Rebellion P1 is a bonus. Apparently they and Dyson will be running hybrids which could lead to a premature end of the P1 battle though. Sadly, unless they get the likely non existent ELMS teams to come over again, I fear this may be my last Petit for a long time...

[fieldodreams79]

Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

It promises to be a great race, but a bittersweet one. I will have mixed emotions. I was not going to attend this year until the ELMS entries were announced. The Rebellion P1 is a bonus. Apparently they and Dyson will be running hybrids which could lead to a premature end of the P1 battle though. Sadly, unless they get the likely non existent ELMS teams to come over again, I fear this may be my last Petit for a long time...

Yeah, I understand. Last year was the last REAL PLM unless we are surprised, but the Rebellion is always good to see, and the race should be entertaining, none the less. No matter what, I'll enjoy myself as always.

Make sure you stop by to visit us in Turn 4, and have a cold one, on the house.

[gregtummer]

With the new rules coming into effect for 2014, is it possible for next year's Petit Le Mans that some LMP1s will come over to run them for the last time?

[Canada ALMS fan]

Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

Yeah, I understand. Last year was the last REAL PLM unless we are surprised, but the Rebellion is always good to see, and the race should be entertaining, none the less. No matter what, I'll enjoy myself as always.

Make sure you stop by to visit us in Turn 4, and have a cold one, on the house.

Thanks, will do. What does your camp look like? This will be my 6th in a row. You guys are brave camping with it being later in the year, could be cold. I was just looking at my 2011 PLM pics last night, that was the most ridiculous grid will we ever see. I convinced some friends from Sebring to drive up and take in their first Petit in the RV. I will be at the track all 4 days, when do you get there?

[gregtummer]

2008 was ridiculous too.

19 cars ran under 1:10 in qualifying.

[The Badger]

Rebellion are supposed to have a flybrid , wonder if its anything to do with that Swiss team that were trying to develop if a couple years ago .

Question : Could Toyota's hybrid be incorporated at short notice into the Rebellion running gear ?

[TF110]

I'd think that'd be exclusive to the TS030, at least for now.

[fieldodreams79]

Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

Thanks, will do. What does your camp look like? This will be my 6th in a row. You guys are brave camping with it being later in the year, could be cold. I was just looking at my 2011 PLM pics last night, that was the most ridiculous grid will we ever see. I convinced some friends from Sebring to drive up and take in their first Petit in the RV. I will be at the track all 4 days, when do you get there?

If the weather stays just like it is right now, it'll be nice, but it will most likely be cold, no wait, it'll be hot. No, er, um...we'll roll the dice, too close to home for a hotel and too far away to drive at the end of the day . Good choice with the RV, tho Canada!

I have friends that will be there on Wednesday...I don't think I will arrive until Thursday, but for fear of turning this into a "PLM Attendee Entry Thread", I have started a thread in the Trackside forum. Feel free to post there about your arrival time and plans. Also, I'd like to see pictures of past trips and hear some stories...

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...69#post3141369

[fieldodreams79]

Are there more than likely no other entries to be announced? Does anyone have a comprehensive list they'd prefer to post?

[Coach Ep]

This should do the trick:

http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...nce-13377.html

[Victor_RO]

Seems like Level 5 are a bit scared of the ELMS opposition in P2 for Petit, they seem to be going all-out on the driver front. They're testing at Road Atlanta this week, and two of the drivers running for the team in the test have been, according to social media...


... Ryan Hunter-Reay and Simon Pagenaud.

[extramundane]

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Seems like Level 5 are a bit scared of the ELMS opposition in P2 for Petit, they seem to be going all-out on the driver front. They're testing at Road Atlanta this week, and two of the drivers running for the team in the test have been, according to social media...


... Ryan Hunter-Reay and Simon Pagenaud.

Hunter-Reay's supposed to be in a Viper and Pagenaud's running V8 Supercars the same weekend as Petit.