Grp C/Grp A/V8SC 'Where are they now?' continued...

[Umai Naa]

I'm lead to believe the Fiat Uno is not too far removed from it's contankerous Group A specification.

[jd yort]

The Oxo Sierra shell was heading to Sims metal when Mike got it so hardly a victim of Sports Sedan cannibalisation. The Uno was run more in Street Cars I thought than Sports Sedans in WA and I am pretty sure is as Umai said is not far modified. Mustang if it is in the Bowden collection cant of been too far gone either.

The ex Bond Sierra that OBrien ran in NSW had a hard life but that has or is being returned to group A spec. Could add the Kevin Clark Mustang perhaps to the list but Kevin did build the car originally so that is a little different.

So as it stands there is still less than 5 identified cars lost, hardly worth the Sports Sedan category having this negative stigma so often mentioned in AMC and on forums. If people were complaining about F5000 being lost then that is a valid argument.

On your point David, pre Ashwood I think it was Beech Thomas who put in years of hard yards did he not to get the Grp C category off the ground?. I remember he use to take private advertisements out in RCN each month trying to get support.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by jd yort

On your point David, pre Ashwood I think it was Beech Thomas who put in years of hard yards did he not to get the Grp C category off the ground?. I remember he use to take private advertisements out in RCN each month trying to get support.

Lovely guy, extremely passionate about his Toyota, about Group C, and about having fun on a race track just because he could.

[Carter-Nelson]

Beach and others got Group C historic recognition, and I thank them.
Terry is instrumental in Group A having a place to race in Historics. Without his efforts Group A cars would still be racing in Sports sedans or being *******ised. I've been lucky enough to spend time with Terry on and off the track, he is a gentleman and the key to Group A being Historic today.

Lets move on, there is no benefit to who did what when....moving forward and putting more cars on grids at key race meetings is what we are about now....

Nev.

[Nivola]

The Uno is something that Im one thinking it should have been destroyed.

Chassis the same engine developed. But event history and driver history is something that marks this car in my mind.

Wasnt one of the Alfa 75's molested?

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Nivola

The mustang at Bowdens was butchered aswell.

Is that the one that Dick Johnson sold to Robbie Kerr early in 1987?

I've seen a pic of that car severely modified in the late-80s...presumebly for NZ TraNZam racing?

[Nivola]

One came here after it finished its Group A days.

It was owned and use by a lot of west australian locals.

John Hurney, Ian Love, Ray Miles, Steve Renshaw and many others have had a run or five in the car. When Steve got the car it was modified inside the cockpit area and I think had a bit of a heart transplant. (no longer 5 litres. Could be wrong there) This was just before the Cat team build started. (What could of been!)

[Henry]

Originally Posted by Nivola

One came here after it finished its Group A days.

It was owned and use by a lot of west australian locals.

John Hurney, Ian Love, Ray Miles, Steve Renshaw and many others have had a run or five in the car. When Steve got the car it was modified inside the cockpit area and I think had a bit of a heart transplant. (no longer 5 litres. Could be wrong there) This was just before the Cat team build started. (What could of been!)

That's the Bowden car, the newer of the Johnson Mustangs. It ran the 1985 enduros, and the 1986 Australian season. The older car (now restored beautifully, if incorrectly) was the car that did Bathurst practice in 1984, the 1985 ATCC, and then - in JPS livery - the NZ races in 1986 ... Robbie Ker bought it in early 1987, but DJ tore the nose of it in the midst of delivering it

[David Towe]

Originally Posted by jd yort

On your point David, pre Ashwood I think it was Beech Thomas who put in years of hard yards did he not to get the Grp C category off the ground?. I remember he use to take private advertisements out in RCN each month trying to get support.

I couldn't agree more. Beach did do great work in getting Group C off the ground. He also continued to do great work in the early 2000s with the assistance of Frank Binding, Barry Thew and a motivated Group C Assoc.
My point, however, was about Group A though. Terry had the motivation, desire and a contact list and the Group C Assoc needed the numbers to help them gain some sort of credibility and relevance so a marriage of convenience was entered into.
As Carter-Nelson said let's move on. I was simply trying to acknowledge the efforts of the key person in the resurgence of Group A as a category, that's all.

[pete60]

PMM's uncompleted Gidget chassis has surfaced after many years in someone's shed...

http://www.my105.com/listingdetails....=9208&latest=1

[kittle]

Does anyone now much in the history of the Ex-'85 Barry Wraith/Wayne Park Gold Coast Bulletin Car.

Any old pictures would be great.

http://my105.com/ListingDetails/tabi...7/Default.aspx

[gts300]

Why is there so much tippex in the Log Book?

[stigette]

Originally Posted by gts300

Why is there so much tippex in the Log Book?

If you look closely you can just see there is a black CAMS stamp over the 'tippex', looks like the category and class was amended at some point.

[GTRMagic]

To a very special V8Supercar for a moment... unraced as it may be.. it has been driven by Jenson Button, Casey Stoner, Jamie Whincup, Craig Lowndes and I am sure a host of other luminaries too numerous to name...

Of interest though is perhaps the first 'official' indication that this chassis is somehow different from its sisters and brothers...



Anyone notice the oddity...

No?

How about the bit where it started life as a Ford, and was rebodied as a Holden.

That it retains its KRE Ford engine is interesting.

Is that like a trans gender who didnt have the operation yet?

Of more interest of course is any mention of times from Mr Button, or anyone else in this car, are meaningless with a Ford engine in a Holden body.. its a bitzer, and a sports sedan/ride car that is unlikely to be able to run in the development series without a refit... even if it has lapped Bathurst, at the Grand Prix in the speed comparison and many other places, purporting to be a V8Supercar, when it now clearly isnt/wasnt...

[Stand21]

Chasing info on this XC. I was watching the Hardies Heroes dvd & it got me wondering where the 'Cool Cat' ended up!

The only info i've ever heard was it may have been stored in an Adelaide workshop, but that was over 10 years ago & no info since....

Anyone??

[david5]

Originally Posted by Stand21

Chasing info on this XC. I was watching the Hardies Heroes dvd & it got me wondering where the 'Cool Cat' ended up!

The only info i've ever heard was it may have been stored in an Adelaide workshop, but that was over 10 years ago & no info since....

Anyone??

Covered in AMC ages ago, twin turbo show car now.

[Stand21]

Sad...very sad!

[Bugger All]

Originally Posted by david5

Covered in AMC ages ago, twin turbo show car now.

surely there has to be some sort of law against that?????

[Stand21]

Yeah it makes you wonder how many times the owner has left people dissappointed when he tells them what it actually is!!

[Redzone]

Which issue of AMC? Sounds interesting!

[Oran Park Forever]

Correct re: Bond French XC being in Adelaide.
I spotted it sitting outside a back street workshop in Kent Town a few years ago. Its basically painted in the original colours minus logos, numbers etc & like so many old skool show cars its riding on 19+ inch modern style 'chromies'.....a look that l find degrading to the era!


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[lostcroc]

Originally Posted by kittle

Does anyone now much in the history of the Ex-'85 Barry Wraith/Wayne Park Gold Coast Bulletin Car.

Any old pictures would be great.

http://my105.com/ListingDetails/tabi...7/Default.aspx

I did some digging on this car a while back when looking for a Group A car to race. There are 2 photos of it at Bathurst 1985:
http://www.oldracephotos.com/shop/pr...26_N_Wraith_85
and
http://www.oldracephotos.com/shop/pr...40_N_Wraith_85

This was the car that in 1985 blew the engine into Hell Corner to leave an oil slick for the two JPS BMWs to slide off on.

There is also a online photo of this car repainted in orange Bob Jane T Mart livery (similar look to Crosby car but different logo and supporting sponsor logo layout) running at Surfers Paradise (I think) but for the life of me I cannot locate the photo for linking here.

As you can see from the ad it was run by Maurice Pickering during a few ATCC rounds as well.

[Camaroz]

I have been hearing plenty of rumours around the traps that the introduction of early V8 Supercars as an Historic Category is imminent. Even getting a demonstration run at the Winton Historic Festival of Speed in August. Adding to this is that a high-level Eligibility Officer in the Historic Commission has just snapped-up an early Commodore himself.

[Umai Naa]

It was always going to happen, whether the 'purists' wanted it, or not.

[Axeman444]

given that some of them are now over 20 years old, surely this is common sense?