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Volvo cheating the evolution build criteria is really poor form.
Meanwhile, the manufacturer that had the smallest market to sell 500 Group A homologation models to, went and did everything by the book. |
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I could presume Holden, who properly homologated the VK but only sold 302 VL Walkinshaws - but this was largely irrelevant at the time. |
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Holden did negotiate with the FIA for the reduced VN homologation minimum, but that was after 1500 VK/VL's were sold (plus the 250 additional they decided to make of the EFI VL). |
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The VN was ineligible for Group A elsewhere in the word, but this was really a mute point as Group A was already dead. |
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16 Feb 2018, 02:58 (Ref:3801728) | #4256 | ||
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I'm pretty sure it was an open secret at the time- IIRC there were references to it in ETC race reports in some of the UK/European magazines at the time- I recall an instance where TWR's Rovers had problems with the scrutineers at one ETC round and spoilers had to be swapped out for items taken from road cars the team had at the track, and the mention of this in Autosport's report included a comment something like 'but how about the Volvos- Has anyone ever seen an Evolution 240 Turbo?'
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19 Feb 2018, 03:09 (Ref:3802274) | #4260 | |
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Interesting car has bobbed up here....
https://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotD...=5&lid=1319321 The original Mobil Holden Dealer Team VK Commodore, the first of the Group A builds. Allegedly.. as by the wording it does not have a log book, and therefore I am guessing would be difficult to get an official certificate from CAMS to vouch for it's story ? I recall Brock had a new VK from the Calder round in 1985, and then Harvey took over this car. I thought for some reason this car was sold to Bob Stevens in late 85 but could be wrong. If this car was the Harvey car - could it be the runner up Bathurst 86 car ? All speculative of course.. but interesting |
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19 Feb 2018, 03:38 (Ref:3802279) | #4261 | |
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Looks like a poorly tarted-up rally car.
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20 Feb 2018, 00:50 (Ref:3802504) | #4262 | |
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Apart from the vaguely humorous comments re the Polariser, I'm concerned about the quality of the other info given the statement that it started it's life with a Chev engine.....
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20 Feb 2018, 01:40 (Ref:3802514) | #4264 | |
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One in the same, you think?
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20 Feb 2018, 04:47 (Ref:3802530) | #4266 | ||
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Since when was a Group A Commodore fitted with Volvo rear brakes and a Ford 9" rear end?
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I met Swampy once. Bought a couple of rally videos off him.
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24 Feb 2018, 05:39 (Ref:3803530) | #4271 | |
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Such an immaculate, clear pedigreed vehicle.
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26 Feb 2018, 02:36 (Ref:3803934) | #4273 | |
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It says sold, but did it meet the reserve?
This happens quite a lot - the car "sells" then re-appears again a few weeks or so later. |
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