Lydden Results and comments...

[daveccm]

Originally posted by RoyG
RM -

I'm pretty sure that we would have heard the "non-contact" pep talk at the beginning of that meeting, just like every event since!!

But the b*ggers still usually get away with it - nearly 4 years on. I begin to despair....

Don't dispair - help is at hand!! From a number of comments it would seem as though Rallycross has pretty much the same problems as other "non contact" racing - British Touring Cars, National Hot rods.

BTCC fines and endorses but it still sells its product on TV with a few bouts of fisticuffs thrown in for good measure. NHRs received so much negative comment about the amount of unchecked contact and the excessive damage caused that one steward just decided to go it alone with a zero tolerance policy. Now the governing body seems to be following his lead. It might be controversial and hurt a bit but I think it's the only way.
But having said that, as far as rallycross is concerned - from memory - it would leave us a little ill prepared when we met the mainland Europeans and the Scandinavians

[Minicross424]

I was Talking to Bob Gooding on sunday, I think you find it wasnt engine but either box or clutch.
I should be talking to him this week so ill spread the word.
Word out is that numbers may be light for pembray round.

[RoyG]

Originally posted by BertMk2
I was surprised there wasn't a modified C final though, there were plenty of cars and plenty of time so I'm not sure what the reasoning was.

This has been a bone of contention with the Stock Hatch brigade for a while - loads of drivers not getting finals.

The classic case which really p*ssed off people last year was at Blyton, when they ran a Modified B-Final for 4 cars, but 18 Stock Hatch drivers had no final! During the 2003 season 150 Stock Hatch entrants got no final compared with 12 Modified. Of those 12, 5 were at the first meeting at Croft where they only had 2 heats & A-finals due to serious lack of time on a Winter Sunday and 7 were at Anglesey when the rescue crew didn't arrive till after lunch!

I raised this issue with the organisers and they made 2 points -
1. It states in the Championship rules that "...the organiser of each event may at his/her discretion run B-Finals..." - no mention of C-finals
2. "There isn't enough time"

My reply was (& still is) "b*llocks" - at a properly run meeting adding maybe 2 extra races is no problem whatsoever.

I'll stick with the Clubmans' series - at the July meeting everyone got a final and every race was 1 lap longer than usual - brilliant! Thinks - assuming the Clubmans' series kepps going (see previous posts about viability of meetings).

Rant over!

[Gnomex]

Originally posted by Upside Down Bug
The jump start in superfinal, BertMk2 is correct, there was some technical fault with row four, probably caused by either water, or dirt from the adjacent loose section.
UDB

I can also confirm this. The fault was fixed immediately and we started the race OK.

[RoyG]

Originally posted by Upside Down Bug
...five separate drivers received formal penalties during the day, ranging from verbal warnings through to exclusions.

UDB -

Problem is that 4 of these penalties are totally invisible to other competitors, so very little deterrent effect. I'm not necessarily advocating anything draconian, but even a 10 second time penalty really hurts in a heat and is plainly visible for all to see.
Finals may need slightly different treatment, as the very worst that a time penalty can achieve is a drop of 7 places. But with all senior officials out on track as observers during the finals, surely justice could be done - and be SEEN to be done.

[BertMk2]

Originally posted by Minicross424
I was Talking to Bob Gooding on sunday, I think you find it wasnt engine but either box or clutch.
I should be talking to him this week so ill spread the word.
Word out is that numbers may be light for pembray round.

Still not cheap though... That was a real shame, I was looking forward to seeing that in action.

You had a pretty good day didn't you Tristam? Put a few moves on people Good to see more drivers getting on here too.

[bucko]

i did see the orange light come on at the superfinal never knew what it showed the row that jumped .. i do know , just one thing i should ask about the start and before any one replies i do understand why the marshall on the grid has stopped waving then pointing to the lights but it seems to off lost the crowd a bit, cause it was him/her that started the biting of the lip and the big expection and they new it was about to "go go go "in terms of murray walker , when grided up cant some one wave at the lights walk off or through the grid and then when the marshall is through to the back of the grid he thumbs up to the start marshall and then the lights stage in , at least those on the front row know when to put the car in gear and the crowd will know it off . just a thought

[Cryos]

@bucko

Thats the system we have here in ireland, cars are lined up in their formations (normaly 3 on front row, two middle and 3 on the back). i think its 3 persons who check the cars are in line with the grid, then the two walk off.

Then the last remaining gridman (Normaly Dave Aelward for Kildare meatings) runs down the grid checking doors and things that should be shut are shut (also done on the Dummy grid) then when he is at the back of the grid hands in air signals all in position, the lights or Flag are preped (Depending on the time of day, Flag in the morning heats because alot of competitors cannot see the lights with the glare of the sun)

Then off you go and do your run, and i have to say, ive been in 4 rounds so far and none of the heats have been restarted due to false starts etc.. (a heat was re-run one day because of accidents).

The other aspect is that the protesting driver should be given an few options as punishment, i know alot of lads in modified have had incidents with other people, and so have i and main priority when i do is out of car helmet and callava off and over to the person involved and appologies, keeps everyone on even terms and when i get taged or anything i do expect someone to appologies because fair is fair.

The problem as outlined is like someone has already said is most of the rules are catch 22 where you have to have a whole set of circumstances for it to happen...

[Minicross424]

Originally posted by BertMk2
Still not cheap though... That was a real shame, I was looking forward to seeing that in action.

You had a pretty good day didn't you Tristam? Put a few moves on people Good to see more drivers getting on here too.

Not a bad day for me and I must stress that the move I put on Mark Collard was not intentional but I spoke to Mark later and he was ok about it.
The new engine held up so im a happy guy right now.

[Matti Alamaki]

Did anybody else witness the accidents in stock hatch?
If so, what did you make of them. If Adrian was as bad as everybody is making him out to be, why didn't any of the drivers (Victims) protest him?

No much point wining about officials after the event if the drivers aren't prepared to take action themselves?

How badly damaged were the relevant cars?

[Minicross424]

Originally posted by Matti Alamaki
Did anybody else witness the accidents in stock hatch?
If so, what did you make of them. If Adrian was as bad as everybody is making him out to be, why didn't any of the drivers (Victims) protest him?

No much point wining about officials after the event if the drivers aren't prepared to take action themselves?

How badly damaged were the relevant cars?

He was protested about.
I went to collect my licence and Thorndyke was busy writing out a protest.
Then Adrain turned up as well and things got a little heated....

[Allen Mead]

Originally posted by Minicross424
He was protested about.
I went to collect my licence and Thorndyke was busy writing out a protest.
Then Adrain turned up as well and things got a little heated....

[cheeky] Well, that's one was to get rid of the front row competition [/cheeky]

On a serious note, tho. If it stands, that's 8 out of 8 wins, so it it more or less in the bag for Horsley?

Although like i said earlier, should of been disqualified on Monday.

[Allen Mead]

Oh yeah, forgot to say, I bought myself the car charactures of Carnegie's, Gollop's and Dorans cars, and promptly got them all signed

[Cryos]

Oh yeah, forgot to say, I bought myself the car charactures of Carnegie's, Gollop's and Dorans cars, and promptly got them all signed

Try Carnegies 6r4, escort and focus all in differnet liversy Signed i have a snug little question

[Allen Mead]

Originally posted by rxie
Try Carnegies 6r4, escort and focus all in differnet liversy Signed i have a snug little question

Good Work!!! in the same token that is just plain rude

[Roundy Mooney]

Originally posted by Minicross424
He was protested about.
I went to collect my licence and Thorndyke was busy writing out a protest.
Then Adrain turned up as well and things got a little heated....

Wonder if it will make it onto final cut on men and motors?
Would it be it like a neal/reid or senna/irvine incident: laugh:
Although it will be interesting to see if cameras caught the accident. Are they allowed to use video evidence when reviewing the protest?

[Cryos]

lol

@RM what video evidence lol "We were just focusing the camer lol" i somehow doubt there will be any accidents shown, just the normal drab stuff

Would be nice too see reid and neals knockhill?? tiff after the interview with vikki.

Also info for irish peoples wanting to compete in the mondello rounds to follow or if you care to drop me a PM

[Roundy Mooney]

It was after Silverstone that Neal and Reid had hand bag at ten paces during the after race interview.

The point I was making about video was in relation to the incident on Track. Is Video evidence allowed to prove a protest at the moment? The reason I ask is while over at ERC I noticed that a lot of the cars had Video cameras installed front and back. We were wondering if they used them to prove/disprove race incidents??.

[Hog]

Originally posted by bucko
i did see the orange light come on at the superfinal never knew what it showed the row that jumped .. i do know , just one thing i should ask about the start and before any one replies i do understand why the marshall on the grid has stopped waving then pointing to the lights but it seems to off lost the crowd a bit, cause it was him/her that started the biting of the lip and the big expection and they new it was about to "go go go "in terms of murray walker , when grided up cant some one wave at the lights walk off or through the grid and then when the marshall is through to the back of the grid he thumbs up to the start marshall and then the lights stage in , at least those on the front row know when to put the car in gear and the crowd will know it off . just a thought

They made me redundant see. It all started at Brands the other year. It wasn't deemed safe to run off to the side, so I had to run through the pack and then let them go. We always used the gridding up procedure to check for loose bonnet pins, loose harnesses, etc, etc.

Looks like I'll soon have to come back out of retirement and get things back in order........

[BertMk2]

Starts just aren't the same without your dash for safety Hog! (plus of course you're addicted to those fumes )

[Queen]

I thought it was a great meeting. I asked Pat how come the car had power for the superfinal and he said with his big cheeky smile it had been there all day he was just playing. I think he enjoyed just being back. Just like we are that he is back. Talking to green light on Monday they said Pembrey will be shown on the telly this Sunday 7pm.

[Cryos]

The point I was making about video was in relation to the incident on Track. Is Video evidence allowed to prove a protest at the moment? The reason I ask is while over at ERC I noticed that a lot of the cars had Video cameras installed front and back. We were wondering if they used them to prove/disprove race incidents??.

Im not sure where theres cams front and back i think thats for telemetry purposes, but camera evidence can be used no problem

[Roundy Mooney]

Bertmk2 wrote

The modifieds were superb all day, loads of really good racing with a whole bunch of cars on the pace. Dressers Lotus is incredible off the line and looks the mutts nuts, I was really impressed with that yesterday.

After reding the article in MN last night you would think that there were more super cars out there than modified/S.Hatch/Minis. One line about the modified class, that most of you on the forum agree was very exciting seems very poor return ? How many more picture angles of Carnigies car can they put in MN!! It would be nice to see other cars getting a chance to put there sponsors on show.

[BertMk2]

I haven't seen MN yet this week but 1 line does seem a bit harsh! The supercars were good too but the modifieds were really going for it and deserve a proper mention. Every time you see a photo of a rallycross car at the moment it's either Carnegies or Gollops - I guess they're just seen as being the biggest draws but it's be great to see some of the modfieds getting coverage (that Lotus is very photogenic as is Sellars Clio).

[Roundy Mooney]

This is all your missing from MN
"A.horsely took his seventh straight S.Hatch win, Danny Budd Won in minicross for the second time and Gordon Rodgers took the supermodified A Final ahead of B final Winner Dave Bellerby"
1 paragraph about junior a final being best supporting race
Other 9 Paragraphs about supercars !