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Apparently the TG rumors are more than just rumors. Robin Miller has a new column out: “Out With The New, In With The Old?: Will the 11-member board of directors of Hulman & Company accept Tony George's IndyCar takeover proposal, or keep Randy Bernard in place?”
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...-with-the-old/ A highlight: Quote:
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The most concerning part of this is that it is all an internal wrangle over what, exactly? What is it that these folks see as so important to control? The fanbase has eroded. The series is now a spec series. The driver roster is not exactly dripping with talent. The venues are not clamoring for IndyCar to come to their track.
I do not understand this. Unless... The question I have asked repeatedly is: "For what purpose does this series exist?" I think we are seeing the answer to the question emerge. The "players" in this drama are so entangled in their own assumptions and biases that they no longer see the forest for the trees. "Winning" (as in gaining the upper hand on a rival) has become the raison d'etre for the existence of the series. For me, it has become a rich man's battleground in which the sporting nature of the activity has become almost irrelevant. It is like a real-life version of a Greek Tragedy or a Shakespearian Tragedy where the main characters are locked in struggle, completely unaware of the world around them. Last edited by JohnSSC; 19 Oct 2012 at 11:27. Reason: spelling |
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^Post of the year.
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Thank you Peat. I appreciate that!
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19 Oct 2012, 21:58 (Ref:3154557) | #507 | |
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Tony George has resigned from the board of directors of his family's company.
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It’s definitely not over. I'd take this to mean that TG's proposal hasn't been formally presented to Hulman & Company's board yet. Whether a deal goes through depends upon TG's mother and sisters as much as anything else, so there's probably a lot of informal conversation going on between them all.
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You know, this just proves to me that the powers-that-be could give a crap about racing, championships or the Borg-Warner Trophy. It is all about who will "control" the series. The last time I looked, "The Series' was in search of a purpose and a fanbase. If there is a point to controlling something that no one is really interested in I would love to hear what that might be. |
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It makes as much sense as a really nasty divorce in which the only people that come out ahead are the hired-gun lawyers involved. All emotion, all about winning the fight, with no regard for the damage done along the way, or apparent interest in what happens after the fight for control.
I was a volunteer DJ at a public radio station at a community college that went through a similar situation, with two groups fighting for control. Each side absolutely believed that they were right and that those other people were destroying the station. It got so out of control, that the college trustee's almost sold the station's FCC license because they were sick of dealing with it. |
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I think indycar could get their tv viewing figures by doing something radical:
1. Get those champ car supercharged v8s back!! 2. Do more races in europe, like lausitzring oval and a road course like imola, mugello, jerez etc... 3. Use standing start in road course races like in champ car. 4. Use f1 2008-2009 full course yellow rules (like, no refueling during full course yellows). 5. Would be a boost to the sport if someone like Will power would get a chance in F1 so they can prove that indycar hasn't made them Non-F1 material. 6. Support races by Dtm, Wtcc, Wsbr etc... |
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We do not get to see DTM races and again, the average viewer likely could care less about IndyCar being packaged with DTM, WRC or the Race Truck series (the one where they race the big rig tractors). If people are not going to watch the actual races, is changing to a standing start going to encourage them to do so? Folks are not going to be inclined to watch a 2 hour race on the strength of the first 12 seconds of the race. None of these suggestions (while they would be entertaining for the hard-core race fan) are going to do anything to restore relevancy to IndyCar. Most folks here have no idea who Will Power is let alone care if he gets to have a track day with Susie Wolff. |
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Let's hope he doesnt get his hands on that much money
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To be major, massive and mainstream, you don't need innovation. You need serious media presence and a lot of promotion.
But if motorsport is to remain relevant in the 21st century, it needs innovation in green technologies. Or at least promoting them, and Indycar does that already. |
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I think the problem is that when the internet revolution swept the world, Indycar fresh from its split was at a low. If Indycar had been at it's peak and could command the Speedway as NASCAR commands Charlotte and Daytona, Indycar would be thriving today. But with NASCAR dominant, the way back from that is long and arduous and perhaps impossible.
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I'll be willing to make a donation myself. The sisters have set the series on a path to destruction. The China fiasco wasn't bad enough now they are talking about trying to go to Italy. What part of US RACING SERIES do they not understand. They have been manipulated and led down the wrong pathway. They have created a product that the AMERICAN grass roots racing fan does not want.
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CART couldn't make the international format work even with Fed-Ex paying the majority of the shipping cost to have the teams transported to the venues. This was during a period of much lower transportation cost. With current transportation cost and without someone to cover the transportation cost. The teams will be forced to increase their transportation budget with no real increase in revenue to the teams. The international business model that Indy Car is exploring is fiscally unsustainable.
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