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Just realised I hadn't completed the result for the final round:
Round 12 – October 13, 1985 at Silverstone 15 laps 1./ #1 / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti/ 24m55.12 2./#5/Dave Brodie/Brodie/A/Mitsubishi Starion Turbo/ 24m55.29 3./#4/Dennis Leech/Leech/A/Rover Vitesse/25m25.11 4./#11/Neil McGrath/Linden/A/Rover Vitesse/25m25.31 5./#2/Peter Hall/Rouse/A/Rover Vitesse/25m37.25 6./#7/Barry Sheene/Hughes/A/Toyota Celica Supra/25m46.41 7./#12/Mike Newman/Burlington/A/BMW 635CSi/25m46.98 8./#32/Rob Kirby/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6- 1st Class B/26m30.62 9./#6/Kunimitsu Takahashi/Brodie/A/Mitsubishi Starion Turbo/26m38.32 10./#74/Richard Belcher/Jeffreys/C/Ford Escort RS1600i-1st ClassC/14 laps 11./#66/Alan Curnow/Datapost/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/14 laps 12./#85/Alex Moss/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/14 laps 13./#79/John Morris/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i/14 laps 14./#77/Geoff Kimber-Smith/AGK/C/Toyota Corolla GT/14 laps DNF/#62/Tony Crudgington/Crudgington/C/Toyota Corolla GT- accident? DNF/#8 / Brian Chatfield / A/ Ford Capri 3.0S, electrics DNF/#70/Patrick Watts/North Essex/C/FordEscort RS1600i- 4 laps, head gasket DNF/#30/Jon Dooley/ARDT/B/Alfa Romeo GTV6- 0 laps- propshaft DNF/#9/Frank Sytner/Sytner/A/BMW 635CSi- 0 laps- spun off DNF/ #44/Richard Longman/Datapost/B/Ford Escort RS Turbo- 0 laps- spun off DNS/#69/Chris Hodgetts/Brooklyn/C/Ford Escort RS1600i- DNS- engine Grid: 1- Rouse (XR4Ti/A) 1m37.67 2- Brodie (Starion/A) 1m38.01 3- McGrath (Rover/A) 1m39.29 4- Leech (Rover/A) 1m39.84 5- Longman (Escort RS Turbo/B) 1m40.10 6- Sytner (635CSi/A) 1m40.42 7- Hall (Rover/A) 1m40.90 8- Newman (635CSi/A) 1m40.99 9- Sheene (Supra/A) 1m41.09 10-Dooley (GTV6/B) 1m41.97 11-Kirby (GTV6/B) 1m42.62 12-Chatfield (Capri/A) 13-Takahashi (Starion/A) 1m45.45 14-Kimber-Smith (Corolla/C) 15-Hodgetts (RS1600i/C) 1m46.21? 16-Belcher (RS1600i/C) 1m46.31 17-Crudgington (Corolla/C) 18-Morris (RS1600i/C) 19-Curnow (RS1600i/C) 20-Moss (RS1600i/C) 21-Watts (RS1600i/C) A slightly smaller grid without the extra cars seen at the European GP meeting. One addition to the entry- the second Starion, last seen at the British GP in July, this time for Japanese works Mitsubishi driver Kunimitsu Takahashi. According to Autosport the previous week, this was an opportunity for Takahashi to get some mileage in the Brodie Starion before the Fuji and Macau Group A races- Brodie and BBW Motorsport would be preparing two of the three Mitsubishi entries for these races, with Takahaski sharing a car with Brodie at Fuji (I've already posted the full text of the article in the Starion thread) One other change to the entry here- Chatfield was back in a Capri rather than the 635CSi he'd used at Brands. (No idea which Capri he raced here- the white ex-CC car or the red ex-Spice example- a curious season for Chatfield, he appeared at 7 rounds, and used 3 different cars... ) |
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I don't recall the exact story behind Herbie Clips, whether it was a Walkinshaw-owned company, or just that part of the TWR Group held the UK distribution rights or whatever for the product. The actual Herbie Clip product is apparently still around, manufactured by a company called HCL Fastenings- they only seem to have been around since the mid-90's though. http://www.hclfasteners.com/corporat...div=hoseclamps If it had originally been a TWR-owned company, wonder if it changed hands before the TWR Group collapsed after the Arrows F1 saga? Last edited by KA; 24 Jan 2010 at 09:23. |
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Considering that it took Volvo another 8 years to enter the BTCC, it was slightly surprising to me that they didn't have a presence in the UK series. Volvo's by that time were in all the other major Group A series. Quote:
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http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-04-06-031.jpg The last of Chatfield's few 1985 BTCC appearances in the car was at the European GP meeting at Brands- where Barry Barnes appeared in a one-off Terry Drury Alfa drive. Could the deal to sell the 635 have been done at Brands and it went home with Barnes rather than Chatfield at the end of the meeting? Last edited by chunterer; 24 Jan 2010 at 13:00. |
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Interesting thought KA, this could well have been the case considering Brian was out in one of the Capri's at the Silverstone finale.
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There's no mention in the Autosport issue for the week between Brands and Silverstone as far as I can tell, or in the Motoring News report from Brands (unfortunately I didn't keep the rest of the MN issue, just cut out the BTCC report) The Silverstone race reports might have it, but if I've still got them, they're 200 miles away at present
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Another thought, that's also relevant to 1984 and 1986.
When TW came along and blew everyone away in the spare Bastos car at Brands the question must surely be, how did he manage to do what couldn't be done the year before (until their withdrawal) by the regular drivers of the Sanyo cars: I.E beat Rouse? Ok, so the Rover had some experimental rubber on but the '85 Vitesses weren't much different to the '84 cars which struggled against Rouse's private Rover, let alone the '85 Sierra. Surely Walkinshaw's prowess couldn't be down to rubber alone. Could it be that the series was weaker than previously? Any thoughts? |
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. Apart from that, thinking about Rover's ETC results in '84 and '85, I wonder if they had moved on a step in performance- they were pretty dominant in the early-season ETCC races, and their '84 results in Europe hadn't been that spectacular? I can see some logic in the argument that the BTCC wasn't as strong as it had been before the mid-84 Austin Rover pull-out- the CC/BMW GB 635s had gone, Brodie's Starion was as fast as ever but still had trouble translating that into race wins, and Toyota seemed to be struggling with the Supra after the promise of their first win in '84- a mixture of Sheene's lack of experience, a lot of DNFs and the car being totalled at Thruxton probably didn't help. On the other hand, when they came up against the ETC cars at Silverstone for the TT, Brodie put the Starion on pole (though never looked like a contender for the win in the race?) and Rouse looked very quick leading the early laps before a suspension breakage dumped him in the wall at Copse.... |
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Thanks for filling those in- I didn't have times for the cars that finished a lap down (Hodgetts etc) and I'd accidentally credited Dowsett with Chatfield's time
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So what information, if anything, for 1985 season is still required?
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5 - Thruxton, 1985.05.27 8 - Silverstone, 1985.07.21 9 - Snetterton, 1985.08.11 12 - Silverstone, 1985.10.13 The complete grid for: 6 - Silverstone, 1985.06.09 9 - Snetterton, 1985.08.11 12 - Silverstone, 1985.10.13 The final Silverstone race has a complete grid line-up but the bottom half of without times. The grid positions for Patrick Watts and Alex Moss for and in general times for all contesters: 8 - Silverstone, 1985.07.21 The number of laps and elapsed time for rounds: 5 - Thruxton, 1985.05.27 6 - Silverstone, 1985.06.09 9 - Snetterton, 1985.08.11 And in general elapsed times for runners not completing the entire distance (lapped or retired contenders) would be nice too. ..and probably a lot more. Jesper |
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Round 1 of 12 of the 1985 Trimoco RAC British Saloon Car Championship held on Saturday 23 March 1985 over 20 laps on the 2.932 miles/4.718 kms Silverstone Grand Prix Circuit over a 58.640 miles/94.360 kms distance as support of the Marlboro Daily Express International Trophy meeting.
Grid: unknown, but likely a 3-2-3-2-etc. formation for a standing start. http://www.the-fastlane.co.uk/racing...stone1975.html http://www.progcovers.com/motor/silverstone85.jpg
Any reason why this race at the Silverstone GP circuit was held over 20 laps, as the remaining 3 races of 1985 on the circuit was restricted to 15 laps? The date suggest a Saturday race with the FIA F3000 running on Sunday. Is the 23rd the correct date? Completely OT, but this would be the first ever F3000 race. Jesper Last edited by Jesper OH; 4 Feb 2010 at 12:14. Reason: Grid, F3000 remarks |
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Round 2 of 12 of the 1985 Trimoco RAC British Saloon Car Championship held on Good Friday 5 April 1985 over 20 laps on the 2.356 miles/3.791 kms Oulton Park Island Circuit over a 47.120 miles/75.820 kms distance as part of the Gold Cup meeting.
Grid: 2-2-2-2-etc. formation for a standing start. Video link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMuwiR3-EtY This 8:42 video shows footage of the Oulton Park race from about 0:48-2:52. Track: http://www.the-fastlane.co.uk/racing...973Island.html Programme cover: http://www.progcovers.com/motor/oulton85.jpg
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R1 - nothing else that I can find
R2 - I can only add Belcher 18 laps 31m44.78 Brodie 16 laps 31m28.53 also Dooley fastest lap set record. |
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Round 3 of 12 of the 1985 Trimoco RAC British Saloon Car Championship held on Easter Monday 8 April 1985 over 20 laps on the 2.356 miles/3.791 kms Thruxton Grand Prix Circuit over a 47.120 miles/75.820 kms distance as part of the Townsend Thoresen European Formula 3000 Race Day.
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Round 4 of 12 of the 1985 Trimoco RAC British Saloon Car Championship held on Sunday 5 May 1985 over 20 laps on the 1.957 miles/3.149 kms Donington Park National Circuit over a 39.140 miles/62.980 kms distance as part of the Donington 500 meeting.
Grid: 2-2-2-2-etc. formation for a standing start. Video link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMuwi...eature=related Coverage from 2:53-4:59 Track: http://www.the-fastlane.co.uk/racing...nNational.html Programme cover: http://www.progcovers.com/motor/donington850505.jpg
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Round 5 of 12 of the 1985 Trimoco RAC British Saloon Car Championship held on Monday 27 May 1985 over 20 laps on the 2.356 miles/3.791 kms Thruxton Grand Prix Circuit over a 47.120 miles/75.820 kms distance.
Track: http://www.the-fastlane.co.uk/racing.../Thruxton.html
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Round 6 of 12 of the 1985 Trimoco RAC British Saloon Car Championship held on Sunday 9 June 1985 over ? Laps on the 2.932 miles/4.718 kms Silverstone Grand Prix Circuit over a x miles/x kms distance.
Grid: 2-2-2-2-etc. formation for a standing start. Video link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMuwi...eature=related Coverage from 5:00-5:30 Track: http://www.the-fastlane.co.uk/racing...stone1975.html
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Round 7 of 12 of the 1985 Trimoco RAC British Saloon Car Championship held on Sunday 14 July 1985 over 20 laps on the 1.957 miles/3.149 kms Donington Park National Circuit over a 39.140 miles/62.980 kms distance.
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