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29 Oct 2016, 11:50 (Ref:3683810) | #51 | |||
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Of course, I wish that the current LMP1s were still 2000mm wide and had 14+inch wide front and rear tires on them. Fossil fuels might not be going anywhere soon, because of hybrids. No electric car, not even the upcoming Audi E-Tron SUV, has sufficient range on EV power alone for anything more than city driving, even with ERS systems. ICEs need hybrids to cut emissions and boost fuel economy. EVs need hybrids as range extenders. I don't see that changing in the mainstream for at least a decade, especially outside of city driving. |
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29 Oct 2016, 11:57 (Ref:3683814) | #52 | ||
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I'm not blinded. I just love the cars. The current LMPs are more exciting than the ones during the 2000s. That's just how it is. |
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29 Oct 2016, 12:05 (Ref:3683818) | #53 | |||
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Shift this back to let's say 20% electric and 80% ICE and we're talking real world comparable race cars again. As for this Formula-E: they're just a laughing matter. As long as they have to change cars mid race, I won't take them seriously and won't see them as any threat to ICE racers. |
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29 Oct 2016, 12:11 (Ref:3683822) | #54 | ||
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That's how it is in your own world. Fuel flow restrictors might also be used in F1 but at least there the ICE engines are allowed to produce some serious horses as against the wheezy ICE's in the current LMP1-H's.
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29 Oct 2016, 12:48 (Ref:3683835) | #55 | ||
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Too much rose tints and other mans grass in this thread, tbh. Ignores variety, acceleration and cornering speeds. Just concentrates on pure engine power, and actively disregards electrical power. Drag racing might be worth a watch to those disappointed with 1200hp LMP1s that lap faster than every in history. |
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29 Oct 2016, 12:53 (Ref:3683838) | #56 | ||
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You also have to remember that when the shift was made from 4.0T/6.0NA gasoline engines and 5.5 liter turbodiesels to 2.0T/3.4NA gasoline and 3.7 liter turbodiesel engines, those engines were capped at 600bhp because of air restrictors. That's no more, or possibly even less, than the current LMP1s. Even the big engined cars at most made about 700hp max in race conditions.
The era of the big, fire-breathing GT1 cars is over. Such cars are too big and powerful to be worth using in GT3, and the cars that have run in GTE/GT2 that could've been also used in GT1 are no longer in production. Namely the 7 liter Corvettes (the 427 died except as a crate motor when the C6 Corvette left production), the Dodge Viper is on the way out (if not already out of production) for the foreseeable future, and the ACO won't allow the Corvette C7 Z06 to race because both GTE and the old GT1 regs even limited forced induction engine capacity to 4.0 liters (the Z06 has a 6.2 liter supercharged V8) Not to mention that no car maker wants to race full on supercars or hypercars in endurance racing. I myself liked the air restrictor LMP1 days better than now, because I don't like the strategy of lift and coast and dependency on hybrids or alternative fuels for performance breaks. Not to mention that air restrictor BOP is cheaper and easier to enforce than fuel flow and other EOT related performance balancing. But that's what we have now. We have narrow cars, on skinny tires, that have to coast to game a laptime. The way that the ACO have placed incentive on hybrids has jacked up the cost, as well as other tech reg changes. I believe as Audi believed, and Peugeot believes, that different strategies with ICE and hybrids should have a near equal chance to win, rather than all but mandating one way to go to be successful. From 1999-2013 we had varying varieties of cars, all of which had their merits and were interesting. Today, the tech is interesting, but I'm not in favor of narrower cars, fuel flow limits/lift and coast, and pushing "green" agendas at the risk of damaging variety and different ways of doing things. |
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29 Oct 2016, 13:00 (Ref:3683839) | #57 | ||
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But I think we've had some nice variety in the last few years? At one point we had - Porsche - Flat 4 Turbo Petrol + Battery Toyota - V8 NA Petrol + Super Capacitor Audi - V7 Turbo Diesel + Flywheel I don't know another top end motorsport series that's had this much variety. |
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29 Oct 2016, 13:43 (Ref:3683844) | #58 | ||
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Now though, everyone has battery hybrids and the regs are more and more favoring small turbocharged gasoline engines. In a way I can't fault that, because that's what the real world is gravitating to. But also in the rear world, a 5 liter V8 Ford Mustang can get as good a gas mileage as a lot of V6 engined sedans can, and you can have your pick of engine with that car, from a turbo 4 all the way up to whatever Ford Performance/Shelby American decide to do for the GT500, and even the GT500 made almost 700bhp and got 30mpg highway.
A big, but low-revving engine can get as good a fuel mileage as a smaller engine can if driven right. Same with hybrids or diesels. There's more than one way to do things in the real world, and that should show up on the race track, instead of regs forcing teams into a box on powertrain strategy or, as with F1, making the cars look much the same, again because of rules and there being one way that seems to be the best way. |
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29 Oct 2016, 18:18 (Ref:3683875) | #59 | |
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F1 has 4MJ/lap hybrid assist, the same as last year's Audi. The difference is they have a lower deployment rate, crappy tires, and 2WD, so they can't accelerate out of low and medium speed corners as fast and end up on electric power for a higher percentage of the lap.
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29 Oct 2016, 22:44 (Ref:3683909) | #60 | |
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I want the pre-2013 chassis/body regs back but with the full width rear wing and no fin. They should keep the weight low and make it how ever many hybrid systems you want and give you a set of mj allowed by fuel in a sliding scale.
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8 Nov 2016, 19:50 (Ref:3686594) | #61 | ||
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In this respect, I must say that I'd really like for a privateer Joest Audi LMP1 -(minus)H to join the fray. Engine noise and the need to reach higher top end speeds. Which is no trouble at all with the current state of ICE's.
And of course some fuel flow levels that allow it a healthy smack of horses and torques against these hybrid hoovers... |
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10 Nov 2016, 02:19 (Ref:3686882) | #62 | |
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