Will SVG be served papers at Pukekohe?

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by fomoco

A lot of waffle on this on another site, all to do with said manager at Tekno not making the pilgrimage to Bathurst , but sorting out things that needed to be sorted back at Stapylton. Hmm woudln't that need Team Owner , Dad

Is he off to 888?

[ForumNick]

in place of.... whom?

[sizzle]

Originally Posted by ForumNick

in place of.... whom?

One would assume GTR was referring to the absent team manager and was inferring he could be on gardening leave.

[GTRMagic]

Maybe

[rik]

Originally Posted by eduardo1

Deterrence. They're simply doing what almost every team would do. Monster were willing to have Jamie Whincup benched from the championship if they didn't get a certain amount of money from him because of the Red Bull deal - and nobody could suggest that was in his control.

I don't see too much deterrence going on with SVG driving for Tekno!!! Sure a payment may be gained by SBR or Erebus, but they will be lucky if it covers their legal bills and it sounds like Holden will be paying for the other side.

As for JW, the only thing Monster was going to get was free publicity and a some loose change from 888. There was zero chance of him being benched by the courts.

And while it may ultimately be a waste of time and money, Betty has plenty of both.

Sounds like we agree then.

[ForumNick]

Originally Posted by sizzle

One would assume GTR was referring to the absent team manager and was inferring he could be on gardening leave.

Sorry... My BAD!

As the thread was about SVG, I (wrongly) assumed that he was referring to SVG

[eduardo1]

Originally Posted by rik

I don't see too much deterrence going on with SVG driving for Tekno!!! Sure a payment may be gained by SBR or Erebus, but they will be lucky if it covers their legal bills and it sounds like Holden will be paying for the other side.

As for JW, the only thing Monster was going to get was free publicity and a some loose change from 888. There was zero chance of him being benched by the courts.


Sounds like we agree then.

Monster got quite a lot of money out of Jamie. More than he was happy paying. And it's documented that if the matter wasn't sorted before the championship opener, Roland would have no choice but to bench Jamie because he needed two drivers fighting for the championship.

Now clearly that was a negotiating gambit, but the fact remains there was no way he could race a Red Bull with any Monster logos on his suit or helmet.

Had the court ruled that the contract was valid and Jamie was required to fulfill it - then yes, he would have been benched. Hence, Jamie had to pay (as I understand) low six figures to extract himself from it.

[peckstar]

court case on thursday

on a side issue

Whincup, who was forced to pay Monster $200,000 for ending the personal sponsorship, is seeking $419,000 in damages from the management firm.
International Quarterback has filed a counter-claim against Whincup over deals negotiated outside of its control.

[Umai Naa]

Gee whiz.

I'm sueing him, because they sued me, and now he's sueing me right back.

Time to build a bridge, humanity.

[GTRMagic]

Maybe one of the parties can blame the loss of their title sponsor because that pilot didnt show up in his seat this year, so damages can be discussed at a level of at least a year's title sponsorship... what might also contaminate that is the move from that team to the brand that allegedly helped cause the issue in the first place...

QC's at dawn?

[peckstar]

SVG speaks

some of it BS

[fomoco]

Originally Posted by peckstar

SVG speaks

some of it BS

Yeah, but at least he does, like him or hate him, he prefers racing to latte set side of motorsport, but, as a sponsor I would want him to promote my product, so I guess its up to the sponsor.

Gis " here doggie, eat some of this VIp tucker Yum Yum "
Dog "woof woof woof woof woof woof,(get back over the ditch kiwi)

[Axeman444]

Originally Posted by peckstar

some of it BS

and you're basing that on what evidence?

[GTRMagic]

As ever, Mr van Gisbergen ignores the fact that some of the "keyboard warriors" as he calls them are/were/may become his fanbase, the unwashed gumbies who go out to the supermarket with an influence on the buying decision as to which pet food product may be purchased.

[mountainstar]

Strange article filled with contradictions which might not be a surprise considering what went down last year.

[eduardo1]

Originally Posted by mountainstar

Strange article filled with contradictions which might not be a surprise considering what went down last year.

What contradictions did you pick up on?

It's a fairly straightforward account of why he did what he did.

Also, the keyboard warriors remark was more about the social media side of it. His Twitter stream would have been pretty vile so I don't think any driver should be worried about the 'fans' that turn so viciously.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by peckstar

SVG speaks

some of it BS

Link to the BS?? No link then you are talking........

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Casper

Link to the BS?? No link then you are talking........

I already linked it

[peckstar]

Speedcafe suggesting this is still an ongoing issue.

unsure of the benefit now, seemed to have some benefit last year

[peckstar]

some speculation that SVG had been given a sign on fee which he was allowed to keep at the time, based on excuse given, and this maybe what the legal case is about

Speculation only as far as i know

[davester]

Where one states a position which has a material effect on another party (i.e. key person retires), and then through discovery it can be proven the original position was lets say commercially deceitful, there may be a case to answer.

It will all be down to proving the motive to break the contract was in fact different than the representation made, which in a commercial environment is relevant (unlike domestic).

The real fault here may lay with the incumbent employer for not simply letting the contract run its course (without payment for non-provision of services), hence the subject would not have been able to enter a new contract. So basic, I cannot fathom why you would cancel the contract (if this did actually happen), unless there was nothing preventing the subject from entering multiple contracts (don't laugh, it does happen, contracts only work when they are watertight, that's why there are lawyers that specialise in contract breaking).

[mountainstar]

Looks like all of this is still going on and I'm sure it would be in the best interests for it to be tied up and concluded.

I believe SVG made some bad decisions from start to finish and I'm not sure he "gets it" based on what he has said. I wont rehash the whole timeline but I don't think it all was a wise choice. It is a very fickle, harsh and mean business and he isn't a champion yet, just a race winner and when you torch bridges and relationships, that can come back to bite. Others will wonder down the road, "if I sign this guy to a long term deal, is he going to bail on me in the middle of the night and sneak out the back of the garage never to be seen again, or at least until he turns up signed with another team".

At this level it is both a sport and a business. Some guys get so lost in the business side, they forget to enjoy and perform in the sporting side of it and some guys forget it's a business and that other people have money and investments on the line. Looking at the history of modern day motor racing, most champions and especially multiple champions excel and master both sides.

[Downoz]

New South Wales Registry
Friday, 2 May 2014
Level 17
Law Courts Building
Queen's Square
SYDNEY, 2000
DUTY JUDGE - Enquiries about the Duty Judge and Corporations Judge applications should be directed to the Associate of the relevant Judge in business hours:
DUTY JUDGE - Associate to Justice Flick 02 9230 8484
CORPORATIONS DUTY JUDGE - Associate to Justice Farrell 02 9230 8454
After hours urgent application enquiries should be directed to the Law Courts Security Desk on 02 9230 8025
LISTING ENQUIRIES - Contact the Registry on 02 9230 8567 or visit www.fedcourt.govau or use Fed Law Search on the Commonwealth Courts Portal at www.comcourts.govau/public/esearch

Justice Jacobson Court Room 21B
2:30 PM Directions
1 (P)NSD1310/2013 EREBUS MOTORSPORT V8 PTY LTD ACN 161 012 228 & ANOR v SHANE VAN GISBERGEN

[rich07]

This is still going on?

That's pretty sad tbh that's it's still ongoing

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by rich07

This is still going on?

That's pretty sad tbh that's it's still ongoing

i think its sad that you think its ok to break your word