Supercars out, real Supercars in at AGP?

[bazil]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

I would say there is a large difference in terms of the AGP and Lexmark. They act under the idea of a large event. It has been argued that half the attendance at Indy wouldnt even know a race was on, the same could not be said about the AGP.[QOUTE

Baz I understand your cut aboot the v8s not being at AGP and you feel that the world is going to end however there are a lot of similarities between the categories at Indy and the AGP. Swap ChampCar for F1 and ditch the v8s and you have got the same programme so its a pretty big jump to a "crappy programme" as you so delicately put it".

"It has been argued" D.R.T you have got to stop commenting on events that you dont even attend!


As always you are qouteing with your very own foot in mouth style... I personally am not upset about the Supercars not going to the GP because from a teams prospective(which I am able to) it is a non Championship waste of time. Purley an exposure exercise and a warm up for the "Real" race meeting a couple of weeks later in Adelaide. Again I will remind your forgetfull self that I love many forms of motorsort from Drag racing, speedway,GP bikes to F1 as well as my much loved Supercars. You on the other hand spend all your time verbally bashing anything(particulary Supercars) that doesnot fit around sportscars or open wheelers. For future reference at least have the decency to debate the whole paragragh or post and not just the crappy little piece you feel you can handle

[Chucky]

Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

On the other hand, there has been talk of it being eliminated from the F1 calender.

When?

And references to other deluded ten-tenths truth makers does not count.

The minardi thing was a whole lot of chest thumping with no real substance. Part of the contract is that the FIA officials have the last say on technical eligibility matters and the AGP board were being reminded of that clause in the contract when the FIA let that press release go.

The Commonwealth Games issue was not much more than that. Berine had to go in hard to make sure they got a date that would still work for them. That's what he does.

[Chucky]

Originally Posted by B24

There are more officials at the historics than the 500.Ask them why..

Who cares? They don't pay admission fees. This is a discussion about what the paying punter is willing to put up with.

[cptkablamo]

I highly doubt there is a chance of the race being cancelled in the future. As long as they pay the money and obey Bernie - which they may have done here, things will be ok.

And they would surely have a longer term contract wouldn't they???I thought it was meant to be guraranteed for a few more years at least???

The difference between the F1 and the Indy is huge. The Indy is just one giant booze and porn fest with a few cars...Not a lot of crowd knowledge or passion - the F1 is basically the opposite in my experience. Then again go to a country stage in the WRC and passion, knowledge and commitment are huge...

The thing with this is not a battle of are Supercars are bad or not...its just like does one go to a music festival where there is only one decent band playing???

Personally I like sportscars more than any other form of racing and thats where most of my motorsport experiences go...

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

It does not take much for Bernie and his crew to drop a F1 event...surely D.R.T. you would have known about this? I think everyone else on these boards does.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...958156151.html

Thanks for that Robert but that article has no bearing on the chances of AGP the in the future. As chucky pointed out in that situation nothing was really going to happen, Stoddard, Max and Bernie all knew that.

But good try, I thought you were fishing without substance. Got any current sources?

Originally Posted by bazil

I personally am not upset about the Supercars not going to the GP because from a teams prospective(which I am able to) it is a non Championship waste of time.

Are you sure, you got pretty defensive over crowd figures and such once we were discussing a replacement for them at the GP. Also from a teams perspective with all your sponsors and the like, its the biggest event the series went to from a media point of view.

Originally Posted by bazil

You on the other hand spend all your time verbally bashing anything(particulary Supercars) that doesnot fit around sportscars or open wheelers.

What am I bashing ? Am i the one declaring the AGP a desert before its run ?

I post on various threads relating all types of categories and events.

Originally Posted by bazil

For future reference at least have the decency to debate the whole paragragh or post and not just the crappy little piece you feel you can handle

Sometimes bazil there is no point in replying when you have made my point for me. Thanks for the tip though.

[Robert Ryan]

Thanks for that Robert but that article has no bearing on the chances of AGP the in the future. As chucky pointed out in that situation nothing was really going to happen, Stoddard, Max and Bernie all knew that.

Thought that was your going to be your reply. It is actually articles not article, on two different reasons why the GP could have been canned.

nothing was really going to happen, Stoddard, Max and Bernie all knew that.

Really? So why were they threatening to drop the GP? I would find TWO instances in a relatively short time span a bit disconcerting. Is there really something at the back of Bernie's mind that he is not letting on about. It seems to be. If the crowd numbers appear to be less in 2007 or the the F1 is "muted" as gainst other years, Bernie will start to look for abother venue

Also from a teams perspective with all your sponsors and the like, its the biggest event the series went to from a media point of view.

Clipsal and Surfers share those honours as the biggest as they are full rounds of the championship

What am I bashing ? Am i the one declaring the AGP a desert before its run

No...but you do it for a whole lot of other catergories tied up with V8Supercars or events that have V8Supercars as the main attraction.

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by billybanana

The celebrity race is well past it's use by date and is nothing more than a giggle for television viewers. Does nothing for anyone on track. Still next yr will stll be better than alot of the other GP's that have bugger all for support events.

Got to disagree bigbanana !
Here in down town Melbourne the celebrity race gets lots of press from the general media in the lead up to the event - TV, papers, radio.
On circuit the crowds are interested & know the personalities.

Dont let our love of our sport cloud our understanding of the real world.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

Thought that was your going to be your reply. It is actually articles not article, on two different reasons why the GP could have been canned.

Yet both have been resolved with the GP back and as the first GP of the year.

Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

Is there really something at the back of Bernie's mind that he is not letting on about. It seems to be.

Really considering that threat was made by FIA and not Bernie. I think your looking to much into this Robert or should I say 'hoping' to much.

Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

Clipsal and Surfers share those honours as the biggest as they are full rounds of the championship

However they arent the biggest race in Australia. The disappointment Ford and Holden showed when the announcement was made is an indication of the importance they have on such an event.

Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

No...but you do it for a whole lot of other catergories tied up with V8Supercars or events that have V8Supercars as the main attraction.

Which categories are those Robert, feel free to PM as this is a fair bit off topic.

[peckstar]

wow reading a discusion between robert and DRT is really a lot worse than reading the 2007 movements post.

there nothing like discussing each word of a sentance and missing what the sentance says, come on boys clean up your act

[Robert Ryan]

However they arent the biggest race in Australia. The disappointment Ford and Holden showed when the announcement was made is an indication of the importance they have on such an event.

The AGP is NOT the biggest race in Australia, but the Clispsal and the Surfers event, plus Bathurst of course are much more important to Ford and Holden.

wow reading a discusion between robert and DRT is really a lot worse than reading the 2007 movements post.

Peckstar it is like trying to catch an eel with your bare hands.

Which categories are those Robert, feel free to PM as this is a fair bit off topic.

Too numerous to mention. I will let others fill you in. I think Peckstar and myself have made our points clear in the past.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

The AGP is NOT the biggest race in Australia

Really ?

Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

Too numerous to mention.

Thought that would be your reply

[Robert Ryan]

Really ?

I guess if you did not about know about the threats to the race, you are also under the delusion it is the largest race.

Thought that would be your reply

Now that is silly isnt it. Same method you use when you have no arguement to defend yourself with others on this board, you just repeat what they say.

[bazil]

Originally Posted by peckstar

wow reading a discusion between robert and DRT is really a lot worse than reading the 2007 movements post.

there nothing like discussing each word of a sentance and missing what the sentance says, come on boys clean up your act

Yeah, tried that already Mr Peckstar (post 176 page 12) only to have Mr pullapart give it the same ridiculous treatment...

[mayhem]

The GT3s aren't coming, is that old news? (I can't be bothered going back through this thread/conversation/fight)

[B24]

Originally Posted by Chucky

Who cares? They don't pay admission fees. This is a discussion about what the paying punter is willing to put up with.

You made a statement why people are interested in Historic Racing for which I provided a list..

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Robert Ryan

I guess if you did not about know about the threats to the race, you are also under the delusion it is the largest race.

And yet I did, only that I understand the context of those situations and realise that 2 years on (in regards to your first article), things are different. A bit of perspective please. Lets look at the current environment.

But then again in 1984 we didnt run F1 for the AGP, so maybe thats a sign for the future

[racer69]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

But then again in 1984 we didnt run F1 for the AGP, so maybe thats a sign for the future

There wouldn't be alot wrong with that in my mind, get it back to its roots, share it around abit, give more Australian drivers a crack at our national Great Prize.

[Robert Ryan]

give more Australian drivers a crack at our national Great Prize.

Hear! Hear! I remember the years before F1 came onto the scene, openwheelers had a place in Australian roadracing. You had a proper Gold Star events, some good racing in locally built F2 cars. OK, V8Supercars are strong, but you need a decent locally sourced openwheel category. F1 is not going to provide it here.