Elkart Lake Q

Snips1 · 24 Mar 2005, 16:49 (Ref:1260868)

I have noticed that CC is not running at Elkart Lake nor is the ALMS what is going on here??

Elkart Lake is one of the greatest tracks in the world, why has it been dumped, is it closed or something??

I hope to se OW cars there again in the future!!

ps: GO BREMER AND GET THAT CHAMP CAR SEAT, GI' DEN GAS!!!!!!!!!!!

macdaddy · 24 Mar 2005, 16:57 (Ref:1260882)

Issues over sanctioning fees and ticket sales, I believe.

Patski · 24 Mar 2005, 18:05 (Ref:1260953)

TA and TransAm are running with ALMS the end of August (21st I think).

Mosport67 · 24 Mar 2005, 18:18 (Ref:1260967)

The race was poorly attended last year. Also poorly promoted in my view.

I would be suprised to see ChampCars back there but I wouldn't miss it if they were.

luke · 24 Mar 2005, 18:56 (Ref:1260995)

Hopefully this is only short term, especially as at the moment CART wants, to make money on events, not lose out, maybe hopefully in the next few years, when Champ Car is in a much more promising shape, then hopefully, you never know, it could come back.....

Snrub · 24 Mar 2005, 20:07 (Ref:1261053)

If CC is planning on making TV and overseas interest a serious part of its series then it needs RA back on the schedule. As luke has suggested, I'm hoping it will come back.

luke · 24 Mar 2005, 20:24 (Ref:1261070)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snrub

If CC is planning on making TV and overseas interest a serious part of its series then it needs RA back on the schedule. As luke has suggested, I'm hoping it will come back.

Elkhart lake is the best track there is, in North America certainly. Don't forget, if you look at the F1 races over the years. Great races have come-on-and-off, the schedule from time to time.
And as I said, hopefully this is only short term.

Who knows, maybe Laguna, and Mid-Ohio, could pop on the schedule one day...

Mosport67 · 24 Mar 2005, 22:29 (Ref:1261138)

I would agree that RA is the best track in North America but I don't think it fits in the vision of the three amigos.

Metropolitan races, street circuits are what they want. I don't like it at all.

Real road courses rule.

jjspierx · 24 Mar 2005, 22:38 (Ref:1261144)

I agree Mosport67, unfortunately the US doesn't have many real road courses that suit a powerful open-wheel series such as Champcar. Road America is definitely hands down the best track for Champcar in the US. Portland is ok for Champcar but even it doesn't have many passing oppurtunities except for the festival curves and occassionally(but rarely) coming off the back (curved)straight. Mid-Ohio and Laguna, while they are great tracks with a rich history and tradition just don't suit Champcar very well. They are not conducive to passing because the straights aren't long-enough and there are too many rythym sections.

Mosport67 · 25 Mar 2005, 15:35 (Ref:1261563)

jjspierx
Exactly. I really hope they end up back at RA as it is really special to watch the ChampCars stretch their legs there.
I just don't see it happening though based on the current business plan.

Tim Northcutt · 25 Mar 2005, 16:32 (Ref:1261591)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patski

TA and TransAm are running with ALMS the end of August (21st I think).

The ALMS is running at Road America on Aug. 21st...but I'm not sure of the undercard races....

Purist · 26 Mar 2005, 03:34 (Ref:1262069)

Without traction control and other driver aids, it has been much more possible to pass at Laguna.

I don't know about you guys, but turns 2 and 4 at Mid Ohio are decent passing places; that back straight is not exactly short.

Road America is definitely the best natural terrain road course in North America (I'd say Mosport Park is #2).

Mosport67 · 26 Mar 2005, 04:05 (Ref:1262081)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purist

Road America is definitely the best natural terrain road course in North America (I'd say Mosport Park is #2).

I'll second that.

Jordi · 26 Mar 2005, 16:21 (Ref:1262370)

It's certainly feasible to pass at Mid-Ohio - Montoya would even pass on the outside of turn 4.

But even if you don't pass at Laguna, you can't pass either at Monaco. Laguna and Mid-Ohio should be on the schedule just for the challenge alone, and Elkhart Lake must be on the schedule of all racing series. If I ruled the world all championships should have to race at Elkhart and Spa, because they are the best tracks in the world at the moment. I'd say they give the best mix of a) speed, b) passing and c) scenery.

Mosport67 · 26 Mar 2005, 17:16 (Ref:1262397)

Jordi

That sounds fine. Just add Mosport for Canadian content and I will be happy.

Jordi · 27 Mar 2005, 00:24 (Ref:1262637)

I was just mentioninbg tracks that have been CART stalwarts - but certainly adding Mosport would do no harm.

Mosport67 · 27 Mar 2005, 01:34 (Ref:1262661)

The USAC cars ran there in the 70's. They were spectacular. I can only imagine the ChampCars there rather than Toronto.

Jordi · 27 Mar 2005, 10:41 (Ref:1262793)

They should be in both Toronto and Mosport really. None of this only-street courses crap. One of the things that made CART great was running on ovals, speedways, road courses, street courses and an airport!

Mosport67 · 27 Mar 2005, 10:58 (Ref:1262806)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordi

They should be in both Toronto and Mosport really. None of this only-street courses crap. One of the things that made CART great was running on ovals, speedways, road courses, street courses and an airport!

We continue to agree.

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