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14 Sep 2006, 06:53 (Ref:1709951) | #2 | |
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It's a great calendar for next year!
Some people have reported difficulty accessing the site over the past few days. I'm happy to report the problem is now rectified, and www.amrs.net.au will continue to bring all the news on the remaining two rounds in this year's series (including Calder in October and the AMRS 500 at Wakefield Park in November), and for the 2007 Series. |
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Great to see the calendar out nice and early for next year
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I hear that one track has been offered the "other" series at a date where the AMRS is on the same weekend elsewhere, seems to me "they" are very short of dates already, or are "they" trying to make mischief.
Personally I think that "they" are trying to play catchup because the AMRS and VMRC dates were out earlier than the "their" national and state series dates. |
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52 weeks in the year, nothing happens for the last 6 or the first 6 weeks, so effectively 40 "racing weekends" No one in their right mind would schedule on the same weekend as the AGP or Bathurst, and you would be brave to do it on Sandown, so 37 weekends left. 9 events mean 25% of the available dates are covered. Since the cams state championships are generally 6 rounds, WA, SA, NSW, Vic Qld and Tas is 36 rounds, plus the Cams National series for another 10 or so rounds. Then there is the 14 rounds of the V8's (two covered in the above numbers) So of the 52 "sanctioned" rounds, trying to work within 40 weeks, you are speculating that others are trying to play catch up because you've seen the V8 dates and you have avoided those 14? It must have taken some executive level think tank to work that one out. |
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www.eurosport.co.uk/motorcycling for motogp, I am sure you can check around in here for the V8 ones. BTW, tracks organise thier calendars on the principle of International first, V8's National second, Other National thrid, State forth, Club fifth and so on and so on. Last edited by Silent Number; 18 Sep 2006 at 06:50. |
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WSB is the same weekend as the clipsal also
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The bike dates were dictated to the AGPC, not their choice.
And lets be honest, with the exception of a few rebel tracks trying to make some pointless statement, tracks book the most profitable events as a prority, the fact is the biggest events are the ones that are more profitable. If the V8s decided to run in SA on July 14-15 are you telling me that you would still run at AIR... |
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I am talking comparing apples with apples, not apples with pineapples.
AMRS and the National CAMS Series are apples vs apples and "they" wanted to run a CAMS National Series up against the AMRS, that is creating mischief on "their" behalf in my opinion. Last edited by Silent Number; 18 Sep 2006 at 23:54. |
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If you are talking about the tracks that run AASA events, then I assume you are also talking about all the tracks that are on the AMRS calendar which are: Quote:
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What AASA events have run at Eastern Creek and Phillip Island?The clashes you are talking about exist this year-26 November has the final round of the CAMS Nationals at Eastern Creek on the same day as the final AMRS meeting at Wakefield Park.I'm surprised that given the non existant spectators and the small number of competitors (many classes well below the standard of State Championship racing) that AMRS has found the money to pay for television in 2007.
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Whose dates were set first? Make sure you are here with your comments when the Cams series prices itself out of existence. |
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"And lets be honest, with the exception of a few rebel tracks trying to make some pointless statement, tracks book the most profitable events as a priority, the fact is the biggest events are the ones that are more profitable." Followed up by a question that was never answered: "If the V8s decided to run in SA on July 14-15 are you telling me that you would still run at AIR..." But if you want to bring up the "pointless statement" I am happy, not that it will get anywhere At some venues track hire for some one to run CAMS is more than to run under AASA. Other times event are refused if they want to run CAMS instead of AASA, despite it being illegal to do so. (try looking up "Third line forcing", I will point you in the right direction - its in the Trade Practices Act) Choosing to run an event with about 100 competitors instead of running one with 200, that is pointless. It generates less revenue for the event operators (even down to the catering, or the value of selling the support services), it also hurts the wider community, that is pointless. I personally don't give a toss if someone runs an event under CAMS or AASA, provided they can provide an identical level of protection to the spectators, officials and competitors. Anyway The point remains, with 40 "racing weekends" and more than 50 Cams Championship stauts events clashes are inevitable. Self congratulation for getting a calendar out after the V8 calendar is hardly any achievement. A smoothly running Series of national events with 300 competitors, priced reasonably and offering value for both competitors and spectators alike, THAT would be an achievement. (And nobody is even close to getting there) |
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Now that the Utes have gone running back to The Artist for the third time(won't they ever learn that they will always be shafted by Him?) in 2007 the CAMS Series is left without its major draw.The only AMRS class that belongs on any program above club racing is the Touring Car Challenge.It also seems that GT Sports and Saloon Cars will be leaving the CAMS Series for The Artist in 2007.Between the 2 series they would be struggling to put together one program with high quality classes that would meet Notso Swift's quite reasonable criteria.I am not a booster of either side in the CAMS v AASA debate but I do recognise that fragmentation in any sport is no good for that sport unless the sides come together quickly to address each others concerns and move on.I find it intriguing that an AMRS round is scheduled for Oran Park next year which makes me more believing of rumours that the current Wakefield Park management might be involved in Tony Perich's plans for an Oran Park replacement.
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How can you possibly serve the "customers" well with 300 cars, how much track time do they get?
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Given your comments about the AMRS the presumption is that you are referring to the Cams National series.Problem is it seems to fail the description you have bestowed-- smoothly == Hardly. 300 competitors == numbers have not even got to 1/2 that and more recently 1/4 is more accurate.priced reasonably=== competitors paying ridiculous (outrageous)amount to get to race .Offering value== now you are getting silly. This whole series being is in question as key classes in its birth-GT and F3 struggle for their existence. Maybe Cams can extract enough from BMW or Toyota to run their open wheel formula to subsidise the series for it's survival- come to think of it it is greed that drives them not being clever so they probably will not think of it. |
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By turning the "300" into the 75 that it actually is! |
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The V8 meetings that the Saloon Cars were at in 2006 were invitation events to fill in spaces vacated by other categories for one reason or another. |
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Silver if you are going to quote read what was said first.
The Quote was: A smoothly running Series of national events with 300 competitors, priced reasonably and offering value for both competitors and spectators alike, THAT would be an achievement. (And nobody is even close to getting there) Silent number: 8 event card with full grids, and not "V8 full", but really full. |
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Having a quick look at the VMRC results on NATSOF at the weekend sees 30+ cars for a couple of events, it has taken a while but it is growing, it is doing exactly as it was planned to do
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That doesn't answer my question, in Australia was the question.
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