1967 German GP...

[Tone]

Onboard lap in glorious technicolor

http://youtube.com/watch?v=k1cGm_Yo9eU

[Peter Mallett]

Thanks for that. Not sure if it should be in historics but wow!

[Fiorentina 1]

man, that was nuts! At least now if you go off, you don't end up in the forrest. The guy in the white car was triming the bushes on every turn-in and exit!

[Gerben24]

I have got this trivia regarding the Nordschleife. The first layout of the circuit did not include the Karussell. In the movie clip you can see were the circuit goes right toward the Karussell the road goes straight on. But the cars having to drive on the circuit could not make it up the hill, that is how steep it is. Therefore they had to build this extra section with the Karussell.

[Peter Mallett]

The Karussell is actually a drainage channel. The drivers discovered that dropping the inner wheels into it gave them more speed through the corner then it was widened (I believe) to what you saw then and what it is today.

[chrisp2006]

great video

[Chatters]

And on the seventh day, the God created the on-board camera.

THANK YOU GOD!

[SennaTheGreat]

that was a nice clip, am sure that the clip is on "50 years of formula one on-board" dvd i have got , but the clip is took from the front of the car and not above the drivers head

[Tone]

Oops didn't know there was a historic section..

Originally Posted by Gerben24

I have got this trivia regarding the Nordschleife. The first layout of the circuit did not include the Karussell. In the movie clip you can see were the circuit goes right toward the Karussell the road goes straight on. But the cars having to drive on the circuit could not make it up the hill, that is how steep it is. Therefore they had to build this extra section with the Karussell.

Think karussell always been there just widened as Peter said as drivers found it quicker to drop their wheels into the ditch rather than go around top..

[Peter Mallett]

In that case and as its been here (in F1) for a day I'll move it to the Racing History forum. As you say Tone not many people are aware of the facility because they only see the forum that they subscribe to.

[Marcus Mussa]

The "guy in the white car" is of course Hubert Hahne in a Lola-BMW Formula Two and the camera car is a Formula Vee! Hahne must have been driving very slowly for the FV to keep up.

[2F-001]

I think there's some confusion here, isn't there?
Surely the the mention Gerben24 makes to 'the road going straight on' is a reference to the test hill or 'Steilstrecke' (rather than the ditch at Karussell) which continues on from the Klostertal section. It rejoins the track on your left as your turn to the apex of Hohe Acht.

Yes, it is very steep, up to 33% according to the maps displayed there. But I'm not sure it has ever been considered a part of the Nordschleife proper for racing purposes. All of the pre-war pictures I can think of (from memory) showing that area, and those of the test hill under construction, suggest that what we now think of as the Steilstrecke-kurve (the right-hander before the climb to the Karussell) was already the intended course of the track. Does anyone know differently?

(I have read elsewhere that Rodolf Caracciola is credited with first 'high-profile' - and intentional - use of the ditch, and indeed the tourist maps posted around the track now name the bend as "Caracciola-Karussell").

[tpayne]

I was at this race. I'll look for some pictures to post. BTW, nice video!

Thomas

[Chatters]

Sounds cool tpayne, can't wait to see them.

Welcome to Ten-Tenths!

[terence]

First of all the clip has been lifted from "The Ringmasters"from Motorsport Classics. I remember reading somewhere that the test hill was sometimes used for a realy quick lap,the reason why they put a gate in! Certainly the Carrousel was in use in "57", it was indeed originaly a ditch though.Hitler did have some good points!!

[Rob29]

Originally Posted by terence bower

First of all the clip has been lifted from "The Ringmasters"from Motorsport Classics. I remember reading somewhere that the test hill was sometimes used for a realy quick lap,the reason why they put a gate in! Certainly the Carrousel was in use in "57", it was indeed originaly a ditch though.Hitler did have some good points!!

Thanks Terence.I thought I already had this clip from the description.
Not sure about your reference to Hitler. The Nurburgring was in use in 1927 several years before he came to power.

[terence]

I t was Hitlers Idea to build it to give the local,s work. This is accordingly before he actually came to power.He also banned Fox hunting just for the "Useless Information" file.

[terence]

Bloody phone! As a carry on to my previous post, I used to stay with a friends parents just at the start of Dottingerhohe,The guys father had photos of himself and other workers looking at an unfinished section of Hohe Acht, there in the middle of the shot was Hitler and his cronnies,I have no reason to think this was faked. There was also a programe on TV about Hitlers early years and how he came to power,this also made reference to the Ring.

[davyboy]

Fabulous piece of footage even though the cars are going very slowly, relative to capability of the F2 Lola/BMW. Its more or less a tarmac rally course, the undulations were too much for single seaters back then. Which led me to a thought. Has anyone driven a relatively modern F1 car [e.g. > 1990s vintage] round there in recent years ?

[JohnnyFiama]

Not an F1 car but Michael Verger's lap in the Radical is pretty awesome:

http://www.radicalsportscars.com/new...0905/index.php

(or Google for "Radical Nurburgring" if the video isn't there).

[davyboy]

An amazing lap by Vergers, but it appears that the record holder is none other than Stefan Bellof, possibly one of the greatest racers ever. How fitting. 6m11s in the Porsche 956 in 1983. Now can you just imagine what that lap must have been like from inside that car...

Below is a list of the records there.

http://www.nurburgring.de/?rubrik=rekorde&lang=eng

[Corktree]

Originally Posted by terence bower

I t was Hitlers Idea to build it to give the local,s work. This is accordingly before he actually came to power.

This is simply not true. Neither Adolf Hitler nor the National Socialists had anything to do with the construction of the Nuerburgring. It was most certainly not "Hitler's idea" to build the circuit. It was a works project initiated under the Weimar era that neither Hitler nor his gang of thugs had any connection with at the time it was built, although there were certainly members of the party engaged in its construction.

Simply another of the many myths associated with motor racing.

[Andy77]

Originally Posted by Corktree

This is simply not true. Neither Adolf Hitler nor the National Socialists had anything to do with the construction of the Nuerburgring. It was most certainly not "Hitler's idea" to build the circuit. It was a works project initiated under the Weimar era that neither Hitler nor his gang of thugs had any connection with at the time it was built, although there were certainly members of the party engaged in its construction.

Simply another of the many myths associated with motor racing.

One of the main initiators has been the then first chancellor of the FRG (= Federal Republic of Germany), Konrad Adenauer, who was major of city of cologne at the time the Ring idea came to life. Other name behind the initial idea has been Dr. Otto Creutz who was a local Eiffel politician as well as the president of the regional ADAC (German Auto Club). I am looking it up as I have at least two books here where the intial idea process has been described. Hitler and his regime usually used the Ring to demonstrate "German Power and Force" of the German auto industry, namingly Mercedes and Auto Union and they had a vast interest to keep the Ring alive for propaganda purposes.

As corktree said before, Hitler and his party had absolutely nothing to do with the Ring. A bit off topic but maybe fitting into here is that Hitler and his regime planned a facility called Grossdeutschlandring in the southeast of Dresden. But the circuit never was completed as right after the opening, when the paddock was still missing, ww2 broke out

[Andy77]

Originally Posted by davyboy

An amazing lap by Vergers, but it appears that the record holder is none other than Stefan Bellof, possibly one of the greatest racers ever. How fitting. 6m11s in the Porsche 956 in 1983. Now can you just imagine what that lap must have been like from inside that car...

Below is a list of the records there.

http://www.nurburgring.de/?rubrik=rekorde&lang=eng

In the race following Stefans all time lap record he had an absolutely scary shunt. What I am going to say is that Bellof took this all time record on the shortened to 20km lap as the new GP circuit was already in the builds. On the "old" circuit with the two straights and the shortcut at the Südschleife Niki Lauda holds the lap record with 6:58 min . For what it is worth, if you take Stefans average speed from his record lap on the shortened circuit you still would come to about 6:51 min calcuted for the entire "old" circuit

[davyboy]

Thanks for clarifying that Andy.