Isn't it strange? - Page 2

Kicking-back · 23 Jun 2004, 12:15 (Ref:1013262)

Hmm.

Mr V · 23 Jun 2004, 12:22 (Ref:1013271)

Whats the matter? Don't believe me?

Kicking-back · 23 Jun 2004, 12:32 (Ref:1013279)

I recall Martin saying that too - it's just that doesn't explain how Mika managed to do it ten years ago.

**Adam43** · 23 Jun 2004, 12:38 (Ref:1013286)

Patrese was moved from a dangerous position (Lowes hairpin) in teh 1982 Monaco GP and he had stalled his engine! Thr roll down the hill allowed a bump start and he went on to win the GP no-one wanted to win...

There was a change in the rules with regard to this at the beginging of 2003, but I forget the specifics. Whatever, keeps them in the race (still with a disadvantage for going off).

1200Datto27 · 23 Jun 2004, 13:16 (Ref:1013339)

I think that the rule change was that a car could be moved to a position where it could restart the race if the engine had not stopped, but no assistence was allowed to restart a stalled engine.

Mr V · 23 Jun 2004, 13:40 (Ref:1013366)

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Originally posted by Kicking-back
I recall Martin saying that too - it's just that doesn't explain how Mika managed to do it ten years ago.

Maybe the rule was in place in 1994, changed after that, then reverted back for 2003? :confused:

The FIA seems to change the rules quite often, so this could be the reason?

Mr V · 23 Jun 2004, 15:27 (Ref:1013472)

Only just remembered.....

Johnny Herbert, Silverstone 1998, came into the pits to retire after going off the track and getting outside help from the marshalls.

Quote:

What Johnny said....

"The team started to talk to me on the radio but i could only hear interference. Going into Priory, i started to wave him (Jean Alesi) by, but it's hard to do that while watching your mirrors and trying to decipher a radio meaasge. I spun off on the dirt and as soon as i felt the marshals push me i knew it would be all over"

Hungary 89 · 23 Jun 2004, 19:39 (Ref:1013769)

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Originally posted by Kicking-back
Totally irrelevant point, really.

You really are very dismisive of opinions other than your own and I disagree it is fully relevant Drivers Dying was not considered a good thing so steps have been taken to prevent it happening

In my opinion Drivers whinging to pit lane reporters when they should be out on the track is also not a good thing especially if their car is basically race worthy so I don't see why step can't be taken to rectify that situation also.

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Originally posted by Kicking-back
We don't want a situation where, in order to push spun off cars back onto the track, the safety car is out regularly.

I wouldn't suggest that as a course of action if it is safe to do so the driver could be bump started in a slip road and a marshall with good vision of the approaching cars could hold the driver until it is safe for him to rejoin or something like that no need to interfere with everyone elses race

All that said I don't think it will ever happen but I don't think it is a bad idea in principle

Even if other will dismiss it as nonsence or irrelevant

Kicking-back · 23 Jun 2004, 19:48 (Ref:1013779)

It's not really possible to "bump start" a stalled F1 car in the way you suggest though.

Hungary 89 · 23 Jun 2004, 19:52 (Ref:1013783)

I may be wrong but I'm sure i've seen it done
You often see pit crew pushing a car that stalls in the pits to see if they can bump start it only if that fails do they pull it back to the pits and use the electric starter

And besides if the FIA made it legal then you can bet your bottom dollar the teams would make sure that they made it possible

ASCII Man · 23 Jun 2004, 20:14 (Ref:1013812)

The last time i saw an F1 car being bump started was Senna at Suzuka '89.

Tweed · 23 Jun 2004, 20:36 (Ref:1013831)

What happened with Irvine at Monaco '96? Surely the car stalled at Loews? He had even undone his belts I think.

Mr V · 24 Jun 2004, 01:34 (Ref:1014081)

Quote:

Originally posted by Tweed
What happened with Irvine at Monaco '96? Surely the car stalled at Loews? He had even undone his belts I think.

Correct, (i was going to say the same thing, but you beat me to it

). The advantage Eddie had of course is the fact that he was going down hill which is alot easier than marshals pushing a F1 car.

65bc · 25 Jun 2004, 07:20 (Ref:1015598)

i would lik eto see more full course yellows for the simple fact that the field is bunched up and it gives the weaker teams a better chance at a points finish and we would see some more overtaking and closer racing

Logrence · 25 Jun 2004, 10:53 (Ref:1015757)

I think the marshals and officials at the USGP were perfectly correct in what they did - I wouldn't expect them to risk their lives any more than they already had to - Ralf was clearly conscious, and as the FIA have already said - their rules require a response within 2 minutes, which was met.

As for the restart - it wouldn't have been so as to have a full field, merely to clear the track from potentially dangerous chunks of carbon fibre. What's wrong with putting safety first?

Kicking-back · 25 Jun 2004, 11:05 (Ref:1015765)

Quote:

Originally posted by 65bc
i would lik eto see more full course yellows for the simple fact that the field is bunched up and it gives the weaker teams a better chance at a points finish and we would see some more overtaking and closer racing

It's not NASCAR!

1200Datto27 · 26 Jun 2004, 10:08 (Ref:1016657)

Quick, MS is 0.1 secs ahead of RB/JB/TS/etc. Chuck a full course yellow out for Debris on the track at turn three, make sure that the TV cameras are turned off there so that they can't show a lack off debris, and then mess up the laptiming and take 24 laps to sort it out.

Isn't that how it works in NASCAR?

Vicki · 29 Jun 2004, 17:13 (Ref:1020333)

I really hate to be a know all, but I thought the rule was that if you staled at the start the marshals responsable for your row of cars had to push you to the pits, where the pit crew could try and restart the car. If the engine restarted whilst you were being pushed you could rejoin the race after the rest of the field had passed. Not totally sure I'm right, so someone should look it up...

Kicking-back · 29 Jun 2004, 17:48 (Ref:1020370)

We're not talking about stalling at the start, though.

Vicki · 29 Jun 2004, 19:01 (Ref:1020479)

Oops, my mistake! Still, if anyone can confiem whether I'm right it would be helpful in case I go and post something odd like that again!

Kicking-back · 29 Jun 2004, 19:03 (Ref:1020483)

You are correct, yes

Vicki · 29 Jun 2004, 19:06 (Ref:1020490)

Is it normal to know stuff like that off the top of your head???????

BARrouette · 29 Jun 2004, 19:11 (Ref:1020500)

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Originally posted by Kicking-back
That has always been the way in F1.

If you're out, you're out.

That happens in racing.

True but not to all racers. Just look a MS... he got a push or 2 from the marshals in the last 2 seasons.

garcon · 30 Jun 2004, 10:29 (Ref:1021218)

And others wouldn't have? You're enhancing the truth to fit those conspiracy theories again aren't you?

FerrariFanatic - I'm not sure it's normal, but at least it's vaguely useful - have you seen some of the rubbish the rest of us come out with?

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