WORLD TOURING CARS 19th/20th/21st MAY - Page 5

johngee · 25 May 2006, 15:40 (Ref:1618741)

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Originally Posted by archaic gold

Not an expert on this particular point, but normally all activites programmed on a particular Race Day, on Track, are covered by the MSA Permit for that Meeting.

You're right - this is normally the case. I have known odd occasions when the permit has been suspended for a specific period of a demonstration or other track activity and then carried out on the circuit's own insurance but, in these cases, the marshals have been stood down.

archaic gold · 25 May 2006, 16:06 (Ref:1618757)

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Originally Posted by johngee

You're right - this is normally the case. I have known odd occasions when the permit has been suspended for a specific period of a demonstration or other track activity and then carried out on the circuit's own insurance but, in these cases, the marshals have been stood down.

Thanks John, to be supported by somebody more learned than myself. And, I would agree. I seem to remember instances in the past, (occasionally); where the Circuit Management has arranged something during the Lunch Break, and not part of the day's activities by an Organising Club with it's correct MSA Permit. The Circuit have had to take responsibility over.

flagwaver · 25 May 2006, 18:41 (Ref:1618857)

Marshals (doctors, rescue units, ambulances etc.) being on post is usually a condition for these type of permits to be issued.

archaic gold · 25 May 2006, 18:47 (Ref:1618859)

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Originally Posted by flagwaver

Marshals (doctors, rescue units, ambulances etc.) being on post is usually a condition for these type of permits to be issued.

Agreed, Flag Waver; but the Units you described were still located at the Medical Centre and Race Control, and not stood down, and a skeleton number of Marshals were still on Post. At Brands Hatch I can assure you that the whole Circuit was being closely watched on CCTV. Nearly every corner has a camera, so in the event of Nigel putting a foot wrong, ALL the facilities were still available.

Mike Kelly 1 · 25 May 2006, 19:07 (Ref:1618874)

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Originally Posted by archaic gold

Nearly every corner has a camera, so in the event of Nigel putting a foot wrong, ALL the facilities were still available.

Ah, but did they get Nigels argument with the father of a FBMW driver?

Hepatic · 26 May 2006, 08:03 (Ref:1619268)

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Originally Posted by Mike Kelly 1

Ah, but did they get Nigels argument with the father of a FBMW driver?

What arguement? Was he trying to insist his eyebrows weren't an endangered species?!!!

mini1400 · 26 May 2006, 08:17 (Ref:1619279)

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Originally Posted by archaic gold

At Brands Hatch I can assure you that the whole Circuit was being closely watched on CCTV.

So how did the TV van get on the circuit TWICE without Control knowing about it

The first time they were WD !!!!

archaic gold · 26 May 2006, 08:33 (Ref:1619290)

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Originally Posted by mini1400

So how did the TV van get on the circuit TWICE without Control knowing about it

The first time they were WD !!!!

How do you know Control did not know!!!

Secondly, we were discussing Nigel Mansell's demonstration lap, and I can assure you that at all times his Lap was being monitored in Race Control.

mini1400 · 26 May 2006, 08:50 (Ref:1619300)

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Originally Posted by archaic gold

How do you know Control did not know!!!

We phoned it in when they went past post 7... Control said they didn't know they were there....

archaic gold · 26 May 2006, 09:04 (Ref:1619309)

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Originally Posted by mini1400

We phoned it in when they went past post 7... Control said they didn't know they were there....

You may have telephoned, and thank you for doing so, but being by the back gate, it had also been radioed in, and we were just waiting permission to allow it to go, when it took off on it's own - that's Europeans for you!

mini1400 · 26 May 2006, 09:13 (Ref:1619316)

They were naughty, weren't they! I hope they don't do that everywhere they go!

johngee · 26 May 2006, 09:24 (Ref:1619324)

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Originally Posted by flagwaver

Marshals (doctors, rescue units, ambulances etc.) being on post is usually a condition for these type of permits to be issued.

That depends. The authorisation from the MSA, extending the permit for 'non racing on-track' activities, is usually very specific about the cover required. Sometimes it's just medical/rescue vehicle cover, sometimes there's a requirement for a pace or chase car, sometimes it's full cover including marshals.
I would not normally ask marshals to stay on post for activities taking place under circuit insurance since a) it would invariably reduce their 'stand down' time and b) I couldn't be certain of the extent of the insurance cover.

hogmany · 26 May 2006, 12:07 (Ref:1619424)

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Originally Posted by johngee

That depends. The authorisation from the MSA, extending the permit for 'non racing on-track' activities, is usually very specific about the cover required. Sometimes it's just medical/rescue vehicle cover, sometimes there's a requirement for a pace or chase car, sometimes it's full cover including marshals.
I would not normally ask marshals to stay on post for activities taking place under circuit insurance since a) it would invariably reduce their 'stand down' time and b) I couldn't be certain of the extent of the insurance cover.

Absolutely correct, the fax from the MSA concerning the demostration laps, or what ever it's called, will state the requirements for it be covered under the permit. All the Clerks I know will try to stand down the troops is possible.

Shelagh · 26 May 2006, 16:17 (Ref:1619588)

Apologies for interluding here - this is the first time I've properly been on 10/10ths this week.

MSV provide portaloos on various posts at Oulton Park. I believe the innovation started a few years back but it has been continued since the change of ownership. And they are usually in pretty good order (even at Lodge where the spectators also have access).

If they can do that at Oulton, then why not at Brands - especially on the GP circuit? If I am correct then it was a "campaign" by the lady marshals that got the loos in the first place - so might be worth a try?!

Once again, sorry for the interruption to the current flow.

archaic gold · 26 May 2006, 16:24 (Ref:1619595)

Shelagh, Please do not apologise - any contribution is valued. The whole essence of my present campaign is that Brands Hatch is 50 years behind the times - the Circuit has never moved on as far as Marshals are concerned, in all that time. I agree with what you say, I have Marshalled at Snetterton, rarely, I agree, but I found Portaloos on all the main Posts, with Paper Towels, Toilet Rolls and clean WCs (if you would excuse the vernacular!!). The whole scenario I have brought to the attention of the "highest" management and I am looking for immediate results! Just watch this space!!

Shelagh · 26 May 2006, 16:32 (Ref:1619601)

Gerry (hope I got that right - not sure if I know you or not) - just trying to add weight to your arguments. How many circuits do MSV own? If they can do it at one or two then why not at all.

The apologies were really because the thread had moved on from talking about the facilities but, as a "lady", these things do prey heavily on your mind! When I first started marshalling at Oulton Park I think the girls there numbered a maximum of 5 out on the bank so there was no consideration at all for us (men being assumed to be able to cope). And that was 1990!!!! Isn't it nice to know that 16 years on some things haven't changed!

Dave Brand · 26 May 2006, 18:25 (Ref:1619682)

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Originally Posted by Shelagh

MSV provide portaloos on various posts at Oulton Park.

Once again, sorry for the interruption to the current flow.

Shelagh · 26 May 2006, 18:46 (Ref:1619692)

OK - once I'd posted that I realised it was "up for grabs". Dave - you win the saddest prize!

archaic gold · 26 May 2006, 19:12 (Ref:1619715)

Hi Shelagh, Yes, this is Gerry! See the other main thread going!! However, MSV own 4 Circuits, plus the original Bedford Autodrome which is in the main just, although, very successful, Corporate complex.
You have mentioned Oulton Park, I have Snetterton and Brands Hatch, which just leaves Cadwell Park, a Circuit I have not visited since 1962 when we raced a Spridget and a Lotus 7!! However, the facilities at Snetterton I know go back to Octagon times, before MSV, and probably so do the ones at Oulton Park; hence my comments that at Brands Hatch we are looking at 50 years of underdevelopment. At the WTCC we had 4 known lady Marshals on the GP loop, so we do have a similiar problem.

Shelagh · 27 May 2006, 11:22 (Ref:1620106)

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Originally Posted by archaic gold

At the WTCC we had 4 known lady Marshals on the GP loop, so we do have a similiar problem.

I won't ask about the "unknown"!

archaic gold · 27 May 2006, 11:35 (Ref:1620117)

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Originally Posted by Shelagh

I won't ask about the "unknown"!

No!, please do not go down that road!!!

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