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Along the same lines as Terence's point and it must affect some - who checks and how do female drivers get checked?
I would presume it would be like an airport ie if you set the alarms off you must be "checked" by a person of the same sex and if they do check underwear, will this not be the same? I don't know about Ireland but in England I have seen very few (infact none I can recall meeting) female scrutes. |
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7 Feb 2007, 10:07 (Ref:1835270) | #53 | ||
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You present your car, helmet, overalls and underwear at the scrutineering bay. They check and if all complies with the regs, you get a pass. If there's something wrong with your helmet, overalls, underwear, car etc. then you have to put it right. Its assumed that as a driver you've spent money to comply so you wouldn't be stupid enough to spend the cash then not use the goods. AFAIK nobody actually checks the clothing or underwear when you arrive in the collection area. Although it is possible to check helmets and overalls because of the markings. I think you'll find that Terence was being humorous. |
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7 Feb 2007, 10:11 (Ref:1835274) | #54 | |
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I know how scrutes works but thanks anyway - point is I have seen many turn up in their racegear and already dressed which is where the query stems from with regards to checking underwear etc with the new rule.
I actually think Terence could have a good point here for certain scenarios. |
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This question was raised in terms of the under 16 racers - we have very strict rules in Ireland about "children in sport" (and before anyone kicks up about 16 year olds being referred to as children, that's what the Irish Sports Council named it so please take it up with them).
I'm told that all that is required that the label on the top section would be checked, which should not require much in the way of interaction. I would assume that if a driver had an objection - possibly due to label location or being uncomfortable about this - then they would show up at scrutiny with their gear ready for inspection, but not wearing it. Equally, if there was a more detailed examination required, then the scenario would be as Peter has described - the driver would be requested to bring all garments to scrutiny without being in them. At the end of the day, if you're a driver who doesn't want to be "examined" by a scrutineer (regardless of respective gender), then don't show up to scrutiny wearing your gear if you know it needs to be checked. |
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In the case of your later scenario, the FIA underwear has its label on the neck of the vest and front of the leggings. You wear them with the labels on the outside. No issue, just slide the zip down and you can see the date etc. Of course if anyone was daft enough to wear them inside out then maybe there would be fun and games. Also its sensible to tuck the undershirt into the leggings for the foregoing reason and the possible calls of nature.
Mind you I recall a lady XJS driver walkng around the paddock in her nomex underwear a few years ago. *sigh*. This post has been brought to you by Pete's Satorial Presentations Ltd. A wholly owned subsidiary of the FIA Rubberwear Company PLC. |
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there are so many darn rules now. I dont think anyone wants underware police running around asking to check your nickers. In some countries, ppl get arrested for that.
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Got to be honest, I can understand the frustration about the cost but I don't understand any of the arguments. Surely if there is a product that makes it safer for you, you go get it? And as to the heat thing, I don't feel any discomfort until after the race when I get changed anyway. For the record I wear a full face FIA balaclava, full FIA underwear and an FIA 3 layer suit. With the necessary gloves and boots of course.
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I think the issue is less about safety and more about safety gone overboard.
As I understand it, the decision in Ireland was prompted by burn injuries at Rallies. I'm not sure how that equates to circuit racing. I've marshalled circuit racing in Ireland for a number of years now and I don't remember the last time we had a fire of any significance - certainly not one where the driver was in the car. Now obviously, I'm not saying it can't happen - and you have to be prepared for it - hence the racesuit requirements. But how much additional protection do you get from the extra layer? Does anyone have the stats on it? Anyone who knows me will know I'm usually pretty rabid about safety - but at the same time, I am sensible enough to realise that the escalating costs of safety gear that is not strictly necessary will only add to ongoing decline in circuit racing we've been experiencing in Ireland for the past few years. Motorsport is actually going back to its real roots here - in that motor-racing is more and more becoming the province of the rich and no-one else can afford to compete. |
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Nomex underwear now compulsory for all Irish events
I have just been made aware of this discussion so I hope you don't mind if I add something?
Normally Motorsport Ireland try to give at least 12 months notice of any change in regualtions that requires the purchase of new equipment. In this case we got it wrong. Consequently, this regulation will only apply to Stage Rallies in 2007. From 1.1.2008 it will apply to all categories listed in the 2007 Yearbook. The Yearbook can be viewed on our website www.motorsportireland.com Hope this clarifies matters and apologies for the confusion. |
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A warm welcome Alex. Thanks for that and I'm sure your input will be appreciated.
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