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20 Feb 2007, 02:32 (Ref:1846026)
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"...Juan Montoya, the Colombian who has dominated Formula 1..."
This quote is from the following article by Michael Yaki who is a member of the United States Commission on Civil Rights writing on NASCAR.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/17/opinion/17yaki.html It's always interesting to get other peoples opinions on things! E. |
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20 Feb 2007, 02:48 (Ref:1846030)
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Casual race fans in American only remember JPM's domination of CART. That is likely the source of the confusion. All in all, an excellent article that is very damning toward the significant, although definately minority, racist element in the NASCAR fan base.
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20 Feb 2007, 05:03 (Ref:1846078)
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I recall Montoya winning the Magny Cours by just about lapping the field. That seems like dominating F1 to me.
Of course Williams had a massive Michelin derived specialty advantage at the time, but doesn't stop discredit of dominant Alonso or Schumacher victories? 
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20 Feb 2007, 08:35 (Ref:1846151)
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erm, montoya dominating f1? i dont think so. a few race wins, solid drives, and a few pretty stupid mistakes, i dont call domincating. i woiuld say for examples of dominating are the eras of Senna, Schumacher and to this current day Alonso.
whoever this guy is really needs to look back at what hes just said, and shoot himself for it 
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20 Feb 2007, 09:11 (Ref:1846194)
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20 Feb 2007, 09:41 (Ref:1846226)
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Juan who?
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20 Feb 2007, 10:12 (Ref:1846262)
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Not really. He is a civil rights Lawyer and Commissioner who wrote an article on the racist tendencies within a sport. His comment about Montoya was irrelevant to the article and in context it doesn't matter whether it's accurate or not. At least he knows Montoya was in F1! |
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20 Feb 2007, 10:27 (Ref:1846275)
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He dominated all the other Colombians!
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20 Feb 2007, 10:53 (Ref:1846297)
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I dont think you can 'blaim' Mr. Yaki for that sentence regarding Montoya. As you say in your own post, he is a member of the United States Commission on Civil Right, clearly not a motorsports expert! |
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20 Feb 2007, 11:07 (Ref:1846307)
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Its just to make him and NASCAR look good...how many people that will read it will either care, or know...
So who really gives a stuff? |
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20 Feb 2007, 11:20 (Ref:1846315)
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Montoya never dominated F1. All I remember is he won a couple of races due to circumstances or whatever....
The main thing I remember about him is his clumsy driving which cost him many results and taking out Barrichello ending his title chances and then all his fans blaming the FIA. They had a job to do, and if he made advantage by contact they shouldn't bend the rules for anyone. |
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20 Feb 2007, 12:11 (Ref:1846349)
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One thing for sure, he is the best colombian driver F1 has ever had, the most successful so far. Nothing more.
But that's the "american way", they said NASCAR is a global superbrand now, but many of their own think it's a "south thing". But as an old american friend of mine once said, "Everything in USA is 'the biggest of the world', only the rest of world don't know that." |
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20 Feb 2007, 12:12 (Ref:1846350)
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I think he meant to say that Montoya was a very signifigant figure in Formula 1. He ws outspoken and enjoyed a reasonable amount of success. I feel the comments in here reflect a tabloid culture of taking everything out of context and sensationalising it!
You've little to be worrying about! |
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Honestly Mr. CoC, I was just driving along when his gearbox rammed my nosecone!
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20 Feb 2007, 12:23 (Ref:1846360)
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I have nothing to worry about, specially about John Paul Montoya.
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20 Feb 2007, 15:00 (Ref:1846476)
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Another thread just to bash JPM
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That's so frickin uncool man!
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20 Feb 2007, 15:15 (Ref:1846484)
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Actually the article is thought provoking and this thread probably should be in NASCAR being as it is about er, NASCAR.
But I don't think even you could say he dominated F1 Mr V. Oh, wait a minute. You probably would. 
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20 Feb 2007, 15:28 (Ref:1846492)
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20 Feb 2007, 15:37 (Ref:1846497)
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The Nascar fan base has actually welcomed Montoya to Nascar. He is an excellent driver and will only make Nascar more interesting to watch. There will always be some fans that will be against his entry, hell, there are some fans that hate Dale Jr and many fans don't like Jeff Gordon.
Same with Toyota. All in all I believe the fans are happy to see another manufacturer in Nascar. I wouldn't read too much into what Jack Roush is saying. He is always posturing himself for any advantage he can get. The roots of nascar will always be there. The entry of Montoya or Toyota do not change that. The sport is growing and is the biggest sport in the U.S., next to the NFL. I don't think there is any doubt that the goal is to make Nascar interesting to other Countries. If you watched the race at Daytona on Sunday you will understand why it is popular. You just will not see many races trhat are as exciting at the finish as it was. |
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20 Feb 2007, 16:22 (Ref:1846527)
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See the mobs take an innaccurate comment far too seriously.
It is a good article actually and very sobering in some ways. Of course, the localised element of NASCAR makes it difficult for a tiny minority of its similarly (largely) localised fanbase to accept "outsiders". Anyhow, this can be moved to the NASCAR forum. |
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20 Feb 2007, 17:25 (Ref:1846594)
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Ooops, warped... I'm in uncharted waters
Yeah there was once a JPM there, but hardly a domination !
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21 Feb 2007, 00:04 (Ref:1846873)
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He dominated our minds and our hearts...
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21 Feb 2007, 01:46 (Ref:1846905)
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21 Feb 2007, 17:01 (Ref:1847409)
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the article was not shocking
the article was not accurate the article was written for an readers that, for the most part,not only dont follow nascar, dont even drive. the article was written by someone with a vague government title. probably a "communications officer". the article is disturbing in that, maybe fascists like mr (im a big fan) yaki, are getting ready to run one of their shakedown scams on nascar. |
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