HRT/TWR Cars

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by mmciau

I'd suggest the word you should have added is "key personnel" - and just because Grech is gone doesn't disqualify what you say.

There has been stability - sure they get some things wrong but they are up the pointy end!

Mike


mike

Mr Grech is a very capable operator, and in the right environment with the right budget, which then affords the right personnel, can work wonders.

The current deal at PWR is not allowing this to happen... in a state of flux with a new owner allegedly on the horizon, and a budget shortfall after the loss of support at the end of last season cant be helping matters.

A second VE might help, but only if it is the same as the first one, and there are no signs of that... yet...

[GTRMagic]

Interesting to read in MeNews that Mr Grech is no longer with PWR.

Shall we take bets as to whether PWR finish their 2nd VE this year?

[RotorFan]

There always seems to be that socialist faction of motorsport enthusiasts that will whinge no matter what.

The Germany and New Zealand teams dominated A1GP with identical equipment. Should they have been penalised?

Some people can't stand the idea of someone doing a better job than them. They'd rather bring others down to their level than try harder.

[Dazz]

Originally Posted by RotorFan

Some people can't stand the idea of someone doing a better job than them. They'd rather bring others down to their level than try harder.

Aint that the truth.

We've got one of the most tightly controlled formula's in the history of the sport where cars are literally separated by thousandths of a second, as opposed to years gone by where seconds separated the top ten in qualifying, and still it's not enough.

Maybe some people need to follow a different sport, or not actually follow a sport at all because by nature there a winners and losers in a sporting contest. That's the whole idea.

[stmorri]

Originally Posted by Dazz

Aint that the truth.

We've got one of the most tightly controlled formula's in the history of the sport where cars are literally separated by thousandths of a second, as opposed to years gone by where seconds separated the top ten in qualifying, and still it's not enough.

Maybe some people need to follow a different sport, or not actually follow a sport at all because by nature there a winners and losers in a sporting contest. That's the whole idea.

You're right Dazz!......Hey, I have an idea! Seeing that they are always trying to contain costs, maybe they could simply let all these useless losers you mentioned sit on the sideline......what's the point of them competing anyway? They'll only get beaten! And they could let only the top four cars race......Dazz you are truly inspirational!......now I wonder which four cars would be competing?......I'll have to think about it.

[pete55]

Domination by any team has never done any category any good. Take F1, when Ferrari dominated for many years F1 went down hill and in my opinion so did the aspirations of many young drivers hoping to break into F1. The number of F1 entries went down, less seats available for those young drivers meant they probably took a different route and thereby interest in open wheeler racing waned. The same has happened in Australia. The signs here are starting to show cracks in V8 Supercars and the support categories don't seem to have the same quality drivers and cars within their respective categories as they had even only 3 or 4 years ago. V8 Supercars are not doing motorsport in general any favours.

[Dazz]

I just think any artificial way of making the best teams and drivers lose is not really a sport, maybe I'm wrong?

Do any of the teams really want to win in hollow fashions?

And I don't see anyone out there competing as losers in the sense you tried to imply stmorri, but good try making what I said try to sound different to how it was very obviously meant.

Losers are people who don't even try, but criticise others for their success.

[stmorri]

Originally Posted by Dazz

I just think any artificial way of making the best teams and drivers lose is not really a sport, maybe I'm wrong?

Do any of the teams really want to win in hollow fashions?

And I don't see anyone out there competing as losers in the sense you tried to imply stmorri, but good try making what I said try to sound different to how it was very obviously meant.

Losers are people who don't even try, but criticise others for their success.

Dazz, I agree with you, but isn't winning because you have the biggest budget and the most resources artificial? We must realise that sometimes the smaller teams actually work harder and do a better job but don't get the recognition they deserve, primarily due to the fact that they aren't in a position to win.

I remember one of the first V8 Superstars shows when it was pointed out to Skaifey how his performances were mediocre after the demise of Gibson Motorsport and before he joined HRT, the in between period. It's not accidental that he only ever looks like a champion when he is in a well funded team. And that goes for all the drivers.

[Dazz]

I agree with the money thing to some extent, but I don't think that money alone is the problem.

If we remember way back when, HRT were a complete and utter joke. But they gradually got the right people (a lot of ex Gibson people if I remember correctly?) and gradually became the owerhouse they are today.

With people like Rob Starr and his guys, drivers like Lowndes, Skaife, Murphy, Kelly, how could they go wrong. Even if budgets were more equal, these groups are still going to be very hard to beat day in and day out I think.

[williamsf1]

speak to GT and he will tell you there is no rule to stop smart people being smarter.... and another famous person " you can't stop people spending money"

[Luke Plaizier]

You know, I may be dancing with the Devil, but there's a case to be made for making a parity adjustment in favour of Holden to allow the rest of the field to remain competitive with Ford.

After all, after P1 at Darwin, there were 4 ford 'teams' in the top 10, but only 1 Holden 'team'.


Lukeyson

(PS, I'm a Ford supporter, just think about it.)

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by Luke Plaizier

You know, I may be dancing with the Devil, but there's a case to be made for making a parity adjustment in favour of Holden to allow the rest of the field to remain competitive with Ford.

After all, after P1 at Darwin, there were 4 ford 'teams' in the top 10, but only 1 Holden 'team'.


Lukeyson

(PS, I'm a Ford supporter, just think about it.)

What is the relevance of P1 ???

[Luke Plaizier]

Only that the same statistic matches the current Championship Points table after Darwin race 1.....except that I could expand that to being the top 12.

Otherwise nothing.


Lukeyson

[Pro Racer]

seems their so called "advantage" is gone.

[dsg]

Why?

[Pro Racer]

look how close the Fords were todya and not just 888 we had FPR and DJR join the pack to overtake them.

[dsg]

Overtake them? May I borrow you rose coloured glasses.

Except for 888 the Ford teams took turns (when they had fresh tyres) to harass the Holden team. While Ford may be catching up slightly if you are not in the Holden team, you are pretty much just driving around in circles.

[Pro Racer]

well so are they i don't see them passing each other much.