Manufacturers That Won LeMans On First Attempt

The Badger · 16 Jul 2007, 18:59 (Ref:1965013)

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Originally Posted by AU N EGL

No one can expect to enter just one LM24 and Win ( oh wait Pug did)

No they didnt , they won on their 2nd and 3rd attempt ..... but Mclaren did in 1995 and won on their first attempt .

Purist · 16 Jul 2007, 20:46 (Ref:1965115)

Slightly unusual circumstances, but Ferrari also won in their first attempt at Le Mans in 1949.

canam · 16 Jul 2007, 21:19 (Ref:1965148)

Having a quick browse: Porsche 956 won first time out at LM ('82) as did the Dauer LM Porsche in '94 as did the TWR Porsche WSC '95 (Joest) in '96. Notice the word Porsche in all of these. Hmmmm

Seems like these Porsche folk have a pretty good record of winning first time out. Guess they did not want to tempt fate too much this time.

Just noticed. The PORSCHE 936 also seeed to have managed the same feat.

Gosh, those guys are good.

jhansen · 18 Jul 2007, 03:32 (Ref:1966232)

Moved from PLM Entrants thread.

Bob Riebe · 18 Jul 2007, 04:12 (Ref:1966239)

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Originally Posted by canam

Having a quick browse: Porsche 956 won first time out at LM ('82) as did the Dauer LM Porsche in '94 as did the TWR Porsche WSC '95 (Joest) in '96. Notice the word Porsche in all of these. Hmmmm

Seems like these Porsche folk have a pretty good record of winning first time out. Guess they did not want to tempt fate too much this time.

Just noticed. The PORSCHE 936 also seeed to have managed the same feat.

Gosh, those guys are good.

There is only one FIRST TIME, period.

Nordic · 18 Jul 2007, 07:04 (Ref:1966288)

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

There is only one FIRST TIME, period.

Bob is right, Porsche had many attempts before winning overal, to say otherwise would mean you have to say Audi won first time out with the R10.

Chenard & Walcker did win first time out, but then again it was the first race

in 1923.

canam · 18 Jul 2007, 07:55 (Ref:1966320)

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

There is only one FIRST TIME, period.

I think the original reference was relating to the new Pug and whether there were expectations that it would win first time out because, as a manufacturer, it was not possible (they had alredy won with a different car and failed to win several times before WW2)

So if , say, 1) Honda buys Peugeot and 2) rename the company Ponda and then enter LM with a Ponda 908 and 3) win...is that a first time for a manufacturer? The notion is nonsense.

Maybe I am mistaken but the reference of 'first time' related more to a new car and not the manufacturer (given that the thread title was created out of another thread, it may be misleading.). If we are truly referring to a manufacturers first time, then it is of limited value. Who bought Lorraine Deitrich or Chenauld?

**Aysedasi** · 18 Jul 2007, 12:07 (Ref:1966482)

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Originally Posted by canam

......as did the Dauer LM Porsche in '94

You're not seriously including the 'imposter' GT in this list?

AU N EGL · 18 Jul 2007, 12:11 (Ref:1966485)

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Originally Posted by canam

I think the original reference was relating to the new Pug and whether there were expectations that it would win first time out because, as a manufacturer, it was not possible (they had alredy won with a different car and failed to win several times before WW2)

The original refernce was to a NEW car for a given manufacture, not what happened 10+ years ago. let alone 30+ years ago.

canam · 18 Jul 2007, 13:15 (Ref:1966546)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

You're not seriously including the 'imposter' GT in this list?

Bit like the diesels...taking full advantage of the regulations. But it did win first time out at Le Mans AS A CAR.

It could have been Jochen Dauer's first win as a 'manufacturer' as well.

Nordic · 18 Jul 2007, 13:34 (Ref:1966559)

The Dauer car is I think, pretty unique in so much as it never raced before or after either at Le Mans or anywhere else.

Off the top of my head I cannot think of any other winning car type that has done that.

old man · 18 Jul 2007, 14:08 (Ref:1966574)

Did Panoz enter GT2 before 2006? If not the Esperante was a first time winner

iucrmh · 18 Jul 2007, 14:29 (Ref:1966584)

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Originally Posted by old man

Did Panoz enter GT2 before 2006? If not the Esperante was a first time winner

I'm afraid the two works cars in 2005 failed to finish.

**Aysedasi** · 18 Jul 2007, 15:19 (Ref:1966617)

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Originally Posted by Nordic

The Dauer car is I think, pretty unique in so much as it never raced before or after either at Le Mans or anywhere else.

Off the top of my head I cannot think of any other winning car type that has done that.

Yep, a unique disgrace........

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Originally Posted by canam

It could have been Jochen Dauer's first win as a 'manufacturer' as well.

He didn't have to manufacture much, did he........

But enough of that - if I hijack the thread a mod might tell me off......

The Badger · 18 Jul 2007, 16:13 (Ref:1966658)

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

There is only one FIRST TIME, period.

Well ..... seeing that I started this thread (which I didnt) ..... Im changing the rules too .....

What manufacturer won Le Mans first time out with a new chassis

The Badger · 18 Jul 2007, 16:16 (Ref:1966659)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

He didn't have to manufacture much, did he........

Wasnt the tub heavily modified with carbon fibre ?

PorscheFanNo1 · 18 Jul 2007, 17:07 (Ref:1966681)

Didnt the K3 in 79 also win at its first time at LeMans? And the 936 in 76, and the 936/81 in 81 that was a new chassie with a development engine to the 956 in it. The GT1-98 also did that wich was a new chassie from the previous GT1s... This could go on forever. Altho the 962 didnt win at its first outing in 85, wich is a shame.
Anyway, if someone can win first time out with a new chassie at LeMans, its Porsche.

WouterM · 18 Jul 2007, 18:48 (Ref:1966762)

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Originally Posted by PorscheFanNo1

Didnt the K3 in 79 also win at its first time at LeMans? And the 936 in 76, and the 936/81 in 81 that was a new chassie with a development engine to the 956 in it. The GT1-98 also did that wich was a new chassie from the previous GT1s... This could go on forever. Altho the 962 didnt win at its first outing in 85, wich is a shame.
Anyway, if someone can win first time out with a new chassie at LeMans, its Porsche.

The 936/81 was an old chassis. All three 936 chassis have won Le Mans once. That's quite an achievement...

The Badger · 18 Jul 2007, 19:06 (Ref:1966786)

So we got .....

Dauer 962 GT-Dauer
BMW V12 LMR-Schnitzer
McLaren GTR1-Kokosai Kaihatsu
Porsche 956-Works
Jaguar XJR-9-TWR
Peugeot 905B-PTM
TWR Porsche WSC'95-Jöst
Porsche 936-?
Porsche 935 K3-Kremer
Porsche 911 GT1-98-Works
Audi R8R-Jöst
Audi R10-Jöst

Yep ..... the name Porsche pops up indeed , and so does Jöst too , they won the race a massive 10 times !!!

**Aysedasi** · 19 Jul 2007, 07:24 (Ref:1967153)

How different was the Audi R8 that won from the R8R that didn't........

**Aysedasi** · 19 Jul 2007, 07:25 (Ref:1967155)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Wasnt the tub heavily modified with carbon fibre ?

Ah well that's OK then........

minimangler · 19 Jul 2007, 07:56 (Ref:1967183)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

How different was the Audi R8 that won from the R8R that didn't........

haha i'm guessing not a whole lot- it was almost the same!

Not the K3, come on! That seems a bit crap to me, the 935 went loads of times before then, and it wasn't exactly radical.

If so, Porsche 917K can be chalked up.

Porsche GT3 (in GT3 class both '99 and '07).

WouterM · 19 Jul 2007, 08:59 (Ref:1967242)

This list is a wee bit silly. Many of the cars were developments of earlier cars, not really new cars. And a lot of the older first time winners are not on the list.

Speedblood · 19 Jul 2007, 23:52 (Ref:1967915)

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Originally Posted by WouterM

This list is a wee bit silly. Many of the cars were developments of earlier cars, not really new cars. And a lot of the older first time winners are not on the list.

Totally true, and the thread is also called MANUFACTURERS that won at there first attempt!
So one addition to the list should be Chenard-Walcker, as they won the inaugural race

Bob Riebe · 20 Jul 2007, 02:08 (Ref:1967950)

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Originally Posted by WouterM

This list is a wee bit silly. Many of the cars were developments of earlier cars, not really new cars. And a lot of the older first time winners are not on the list.

Perhaps ANYTIME should replace first time.
Bob

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