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31 Oct 2007, 13:16 (Ref:2055870) | #1 | ||
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Blue Book K37 changes good for Rallcross
Now that the MSA council has ratified its K37 technical regulations which effectively banishes one-off specials from UK rallying, can someone in the BRDA quickly lure Andy Burton and his phenominal hand-built Peugeot Cosworth to Rallycross.
Along with that would come the many thousands of loyal specators who follow him to every event he enters. Come on Andy. There's a warm welcome here somewhere. Now who else is out there ?? |
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31 Oct 2007, 13:38 (Ref:2055887) | #2 | ||
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As I read it if a car has is currently log booked then it's ok for now (until 2010? can't remember off the top of my head). New build spaceframes are out but I'm not sure that some of the current spaceframes are rallycross legal - there is a rapid 205 that is semi spaceframed and has a bike engine nailed in the back. That would be outside the K37 regs but also would fit into rallycross (engine not in the original location), similarly this would prevent Burtons pug appearing in rallycross too.
The changes to K37 may well see a reduction in the numbers of people rallying, the MSA seems to be killing off club level rallying with their changes. The move to 'production spec' rallying is seen as key by the MSA but none of the competitors want it. Genius. |
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31 Oct 2007, 17:45 (Ref:2056079) | #3 | |
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This idea crossed my mind yesterday and you will probably think im such an idiot for mentioning it. But in grasstrack racing they have I think Class 10 monster machines. What about inviting 10 of them over to events like the rallycross superprix to do a round? Maybe its ridouclous idea as they probably cant be geared properly for the long straights but if so they could be alot of fun and from what I know dont a few grass trackers come over to rallycross if they can afford it eventually?
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7 Nov 2007, 12:11 (Ref:2062041) | #4 | ||
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We used to run Super moto and honda pilots with the rallycross at Croft - It worked very well
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7 Nov 2007, 12:43 (Ref:2062072) | #5 | ||
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this idea was discussed a while back, but the MSA Were not very keen
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7 Nov 2007, 13:23 (Ref:2062115) | #6 | ||
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Didn't some of the Autograss lads run alongside a rallycross at Blyton a couple of years ago? I suppose the problem is that the day's schedule is already packed for most meetings. Couple of big accidents and there is always the danger of running out of daylight / hitting curfew time.
Not sure about K37 - some of the 'outlaw' rally cars might just about get in the Supernational class which is more liberal on engine location regs. |
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7 Nov 2007, 13:46 (Ref:2062136) | #8 | ||
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In a way I'm surprised the MSA didn't try to push rallycross to provide a home for these specials, perhaps through a specific 'outlaw' class. It might have helped reduce some of the opposition to K37. Perhaps they don't want to be seen to be encouraging 'one offs' in any form of rallysport. However I can't see how Andy's car would be 'less safe' for rallycross than some Group B derived cars we've seen.
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7 Nov 2007, 14:18 (Ref:2062159) | #9 | ||
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The MSA is moving rallying towards 'production based cars' (against most competitors wihes) so clearly Andy Burtons car doesn't fit. Andys car is as safe as (if not safer) than pretty much anything out there, there is no real reason why 'homebuilt specials' can't be used - if a car isn't safe enough don't give it a logbook - fairly simple really. I don't see the MSA encouraging the 'outlaws' into rallycross largely on the same grounds - they'll see them as too much of a risk despite the existence of similarly extreme machines already within the sport.
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