Buy or Lease an engine?

JAG · 22 Nov 2007, 22:31 (Ref:2073840)

I was just reading Racecar Engineering and in it AER says the V8 P1 engine is only available for lease due to the technology involved, is this the case for all the top customer engines?

What happens when the car is eventually sold on as a museum piece or for historic racing, would AER release the engine with the car, afterall even the heavily controlled Audi R8 is now in private hands, competing in historic racing, complete with Audi V8.

**Adam43** · 22 Nov 2007, 23:03 (Ref:2073863)

I'd imagine not, the car will be sold sans engine. The new owner would have to modify it or talk nicely to AER! Of course by the time this happens the situation may have changed.

canam · 23 Nov 2007, 01:16 (Ref:2073916)

I think it will just be a passage of time. AER are probably still developing the engine and would make changes at every rebuild.

I bet you could buy the older 4 cylinder motor outright from AER. I would also imagine you could get the 4 litre Judd outright and maybe even the 3.4 litre unit. Otherwise they would just gather dust.

JAG · 23 Nov 2007, 15:48 (Ref:2074240)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

I'd imagine not, the car will be sold sans engine. The new owner would have to modify it or talk nicely to AER! Of course by the time this happens the situation may have changed.

I was thinking back to the Group C cars, were the 3.5l Jaguars and even Peugeot 905 are now in customer hands using the original F1 style engines.

AU N EGL · 23 Nov 2007, 17:02 (Ref:2074279)

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Originally Posted by JAG

I was just reading Racecar Engineering and in it AER says the V8 P1 engine is only available for lease due to the technology involved, is this the case for all the top customer engines?

My guess is it would be split. Look at F1, the Ferrari, Renault and Toyota powered non-manufactures cars are leased engines.

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What happens when the car is eventually sold on as a museum piece or for historic racing, would AER release the engine with the car, afterall even the heavily controlled Audi R8 is now in private hands, competing in historic racing, complete with Audi V8.

Seperate deal. the Engine goes back to the manufacture unless the chassies purchaser makes a seperate agreement with the engine builder.

Many of the NASCAR teams to this now. have engine lease programs to the smaller teams.

ThePenguin · 23 Nov 2007, 17:15 (Ref:2074288)

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Originally Posted by AU N EGL

Many of the NASCAR teams to this now. have engine lease programs to the smaller teams.

They lease a lot more than just engines, they lease complete teams now if you have enough money.

**FIRE** · 23 Nov 2007, 17:49 (Ref:2074305)

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Originally Posted by ThePenguin

They lease a lot more than just engines, they lease complete teams now if you have enough money.

Any others besides HoF (=JGR)?

ThePenguin · 23 Nov 2007, 18:03 (Ref:2074314)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

Any others besides HoF (=JGR)?

Some teams are more independent than others, HOF is one of the teams that is more dependent. Some of the other teams are: Robby Gordon Motorsports, BAM Racing, Haas CNC Racing, Furniture Row Racing, and No Fear Racing. This isn't a complete list, and not all of these teams lease a whole team, but they get most of their equipment from a larger team.

knighty · 23 Nov 2007, 20:45 (Ref:2074397)

I think AER leasing their engines is nothing unusual..........to my knowledge, this is also how Judd operate their sports car engine units too.

RickP:Clio51 · 27 Nov 2007, 14:28 (Ref:2076519)

Think it ensures engines come back for rebuild on time and only to the engine builder... u lease your Enduro engine as $$$ per X hours.... (Bloomin' expensive way to do it too so I imagine it's so they can make the most $$ possible... no-one tries to squeeze a few extra hours out of the engine etc...

Slightly off topic... I was told at the weekend that after each race, you have to pay Porsche $120,000 to just check over the engine in your LMP2 Spyder! Now THAT is expensive if it's correct (and was a good source...)

Dauer 962 · 27 Nov 2007, 14:43 (Ref:2076527)

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Originally Posted by RickP:Clio51

Slightly off topic... I was told at the weekend that after each race, you have to pay Porsche $120,000 to just check over the engine in your LMP2 Spyder! Now THAT is expensive if it's correct (and was a good source...)

If you race 24h races only, than this would be true.

The RS Spyder engine has a running time of 30 hours until you need to sent it back to Weissach for a rebuilt. But the rebuilt price is somewhat in the area that you mentioned

RickP:Clio51 · 27 Nov 2007, 14:59 (Ref:2076537)

sounds more sensible... thanks for the clarification.

AU N EGL · 27 Nov 2007, 16:08 (Ref:2076595)

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Originally Posted by Dauer 962

If you race 24h races only, than this would be true.

The RS Spyder engine has a running time of 30 hours until you need to sent it back to Weissach for a rebuilt. But the rebuilt price is somewhat in the area that you mentioned

I agree. 120 grand and 30 hours run time sound about right for an p-engine rebuild.

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