WRC Rally Ireland - Page 3

flying finn · 18 Nov 2007, 20:56 (Ref:2070406)

WRC Rally Ireland - Results

1. Loeb Elena > Citroen C4 > 3h01'39"2 (108.6 km/h)
2. Sordo Marti > Citroen C4 > 3h02'32"6 (+ 00'53"4)
3. Latvala Anttila > Ford Focus > 3h03'27"4 (+ 01'48"2)
4. Hirvonen Lehtinen > Ford Focus > 3h03'56"9 (+ 02'17"7)
5. P.Solberg Mills > Subaru Impreza > 3h04'35"0 (+ 02'55"8)
6. Wilks Pugh > Subaru Impreza > 3h07'37"1 (+ 05'57"9)
7. Wilson Orr > Ford Focus > 3h11'44"1 (+ 10'04"9)
8. G.Machale Harryman > Ford Focus > 3h12'47"5 (+ 11'08"3)
9. Mikkelsen Floene > Ford Focus > 3h14'47"4 (+ 13'08"2)
10. Mcshea Clarke > Subaru Impreza > 3h18'11"3 (+ 16'32"1)
16. H.Solberg Bergsten > Ford Focus > 3h22'38"4 (+ 20'59"2)
41. Atkinson Prevot > Subaru Impreza > 3h46'28"5 (+ 44'49"3)

DNF. Gronholm-Rautiainen > Ford Focus > Went off road SS4
DNF. Stohl-Minor > Citroen Xsara > Went off road SS13
DNF. Duval-Pivato > Citroen Xsara > Withdrawn

Championship Standings

1. S. Loeb (F) 10 8 0 10 10 10 0 8 6 10 8 10 10 0 10 -- 110
2. M. Gronholm (FIN) 6 10 8 8 5 8 10 10 10 5 10 6 8 0 0 -- 104
3. M. Hirvonen (FIN) 4 6 10 6 4 6 8 5 8 6 6 5 0 10 5 -- 89
4. D. Sordo (SP) 8 0 0 5 6 3 6 0 0 0 3 8 6 8 8 -- 61
5. P. Solberg (N) 3 0 5 0 8 0 4 6 0 3 2 3 4 0 4 -- 42
6. H. Solberg (N) 0 5 6 0 0 4 5 4 4 0 0 0 0 6 0 -- 34
7. J. Latvala (FIN) 0 0 4 2 1 5 0 0 0 1 4 2 5 0 6 -- 30
8. C. Atkinson (AUS) 5 1 0 4 0 2 0 3 5 0 5 1 3 0 0 -- 29
9. F.Duval (BEL) -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 8 -- 4 0 -- -- -- 12
10. M. Stohl (AUT) 0 2 0 3 0 1 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 -- 12

henk4 · 18 Nov 2007, 21:21 (Ref:2070417)

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Originally Posted by GolddustMini

ah yes WE rather than them, those nasty french

so i guess your right

yep, and I having been driving "nasty french cars" all my life so I can associate with them

StockHatch782 · 18 Nov 2007, 23:00 (Ref:2070445)

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Originally Posted by BertMk2

Petter summed up the conditions well!

"I said BLOODY difficult, alright?"

Having said that, Latvala didn't do a bad job either...

"Mud on the road, water on the road, gravel on the road, stones on the road" etc. etc. for about a week

Fatgadget · 18 Nov 2007, 23:48 (Ref:2070470)

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Originally Posted by StockHatch782

"I said BLOODY difficult, alright?"

Having said that, Latvala didn't do a bad job either...

"Mud on the road, water on the road, gravel on the road, stones on the road" etc. etc. for about a week

Move along nothing new to see here.Rally drivers have been moaning and telling tall stories since the dawn of rallying.
Did you hear the one about the rally driver and the ditch that jumped in front of him from out of nowhere?

henk4 · 19 Nov 2007, 08:41 (Ref:2070657)

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Originally Posted by Fatgadget

Move along nothing new to see here.Rally drivers have been moaning and telling tall stories since the dawn of rallying.
Did you hear the one about the rally driver and the ditch that jumped in front of him from out of nowhere?

or about this tree crossing the road right in front him without looking neither left or right?

sihorton · 19 Nov 2007, 10:28 (Ref:2070735)

I think some tough decissions need to be made at Subaru regards Mr Pons at the end of the season.
He's become a bit of a liability since joining mid season. I know Atkinson has had a lot of offs too, but he has also shown some pure speed too on both gravel and tarmac.

If subaru is going to continue with a 3rd car, why don't they give someone like Wilks a go. He's obviously got experiance from the JWRC days and showed genuine pace in a WRC machine, i think they should give him a go.

Regards Ford, looks like the works team could have found a replacement for Gronholm in Latvalla.

leonidas · 19 Nov 2007, 12:25 (Ref:2070796)

Wilks must have an outside shout after this weekend. It might be he isn't seen as high profile enough yet. Having said that you don't get a profile by parking it in the trees as some of the existing Subaru drivers do all too often. Atkinson has potential but its difficult to be impressed by Pons.

zac510 · 19 Nov 2007, 12:42 (Ref:2070803)

How do you pronounce Xavier Pons anyway?

Kris Meeke was doing very well too.

Good move by Citroen to do the Cork/Donegal rallies early in the year, I wonder how much they owe their tyre choices to that?

Can't wait for Wales

WJM · 19 Nov 2007, 13:14 (Ref:2070820)

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Originally Posted by sihorton

I think some tough decissions need to be made at Subaru regards Mr Pons at the end of the season.
He's become a bit of a liability since joining mid season. I know Atkinson has had a lot of offs too, but he has also shown some pure speed too on both gravel and tarmac.

You really think they pay Pons to drive that car? If Wilks wants that car he has got to pay for that car like the others.

p14geu · 20 Nov 2007, 12:27 (Ref:2071637)

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Originally Posted by zac510

Good move by Citroen to do the Cork/Donegal rallies early in the year, I wonder how much they owe their tyre choices to that?

Not too much as Loeb said at the end of the first stage on Sunday that they didnt even bring wets!!

But I agree, after the weekend, I think Wilks deserves a drive of some sort, a brilliant driver with a lot of talent, and now has experience in a Subaru, so could be a good thing if Subaru took him on board, but definitely Latvala to take over from Gronholm, but then maybe Wilks might drive along side Wilson at Stobart-VK next year, who knows, will be interesting to see what driver changes will be made, more exciting than the Formula 1!!

Just out of interest, anyone heard of anything about Marko Martin coming back? He might be a replacement for Gronholm if he is ready to get back into the rallying?

Steve Wilkinson · 20 Nov 2007, 13:05 (Ref:2071674)

Just back from Rally Ireland - what a cracking 'holiday'. I thoroughly enjoyed the trip and will be back in 2009 if the event is a WRC round.

The Super Special at Sormont was rubbish! The viewing was OK but the big screens stopped showing the on-track action half way through when the two commentators stopped work!

Friday and I was at Lough Gill, as they passed my point on the stage Gronholm was nearly 6 seconds up on Loeb & Sordo. Then the first running was stopped after about 10 cars had been past. I was going to stay for the second running but a memeber of my party was taken ill and had to be rushed to hospital in Sligo.

Saturday and I walked into the Tempo stage. Just before the cars arrived it started to rain hard! Many drivers were taking it easy but Solberg, Loeb and Latvala stood out. Conor Byrne in an EVO 9 put on a show with a 360 whilst waving to the crowd! After the last car came through we walked out of the stage back to the accomodation and then got a call to pick up our missing member from Sligo. Drove to the hospital, picked him up and then went round the Service Park.

Sunday and a 20 minute drive to the Fardross stage. Got into position at a neat hairpin with good views out of the valley. Loeb was in cruise control. Then there was a big incident when Oscar Svedlund lost him Subaru approaching the hairpin. He ploughed through two lots of fencing as he cut the hairpin. He then ploughed down a length of wooden fencing and smashed a sturdy gate post ending up on top of it! He only just missed two lots of spectators who were then moved further back! After the last car through we went back to the accomodation and watched the Mullaghmore stage on RTE.

We made it home late last night after a somewhat choppy crossing on the ferry to Holyhead.

I am already looking forward to a trip to Ireland in 2009 or possibly even next year!

cg7aa · 20 Nov 2007, 13:47 (Ref:2071712)

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Originally Posted by sihorton

I think some tough decissions need to be made at Subaru regards Mr Pons at the end of the season.
He's become a bit of a liability since joining mid season. I know Atkinson has had a lot of offs too, but he has also shown some pure speed too on both gravel and tarmac.

If subaru is going to continue with a 3rd car, why don't they give someone like Wilks a go. He's obviously got experiance from the JWRC days and showed genuine pace in a WRC machine, i think they should give him a go.

Regards Ford, looks like the works team could have found a replacement for Gronholm in Latvalla.

My thoughts on Pons posted months ago in another thread.

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Originally Posted by cg7aa

Dunno what to make of Pons to be honest, I'm sure he drives his heart out but he seems to get very frustrated and almost panicky when things start going wrong. Its as if he is gonna break down any moment. When it starts to go wrong, he seems to shout at his co-driver a la Germany last year (or was it '05?). Good luck to him though (he will need it driving that understeering thing!)

btcckid · 20 Nov 2007, 18:21 (Ref:2071881)

do you think it would be good for marcus to win in his last year or does loeb deserve another year as champion?

henk4 · 20 Nov 2007, 18:25 (Ref:2071883)

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Originally Posted by btcckid

do you think it would be good for marcus to win in his last year or does loeb deserve another year as champion?

maybe we should make a fictitious ranking based on the results of the rallies where they both finished. That will probably give you the real champion.

StockHatch782 · 20 Nov 2007, 18:31 (Ref:2071887)

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Originally Posted by henk4

maybe we should make a fictitious ranking based on the results of the rallies where they both finished. That will probably give you the real champion.

But doesn't this remove the factor in rallying where 'to finish first' etc? There's no point in only looking at the events where they both finished, if they crash it's usually up to them. You might just as well only take the points from the rallies where at least 10 WRCs entered, or only where no-one had any mechanical problems, or where none of the drivers wore a hat all weekend.

henk4 · 20 Nov 2007, 18:42 (Ref:2071902)

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Originally Posted by StockHatch782

But doesn't this remove the factor in rallying where 'to finish first' etc? There's no point in only looking at the events where they both finished, if they crash it's usually up to them. You might just as well only take the points from the rallies where at least 10 WRCs entered, or only where no-one had any mechanical problems, or where none of the drivers wore a hat all weekend.

well the question was about who "deserves" the championship, which is subjective as hell. I tried to come up with something objective. But if after the final rallye Loeb is on top of the standings, does it mean that he then deserved it?

flying finn · 20 Nov 2007, 21:47 (Ref:2072017)

Rallye Monte-Carlo > Loeb 1st, Gronholm 3rd
Swedish Rally > Gronholm 1st, Loeb 2nd
Rally Norway > Gronholm 2nd, Loeb 14th
Rally Mexico > Loeb 1st, Gronholm 2nd
Rally de Portugal > Loeb 1st, Gronholm 4th
Rally Argentina > Loeb 1st, Gronholm 2nd
Rally Italia-Sardinia > Gronholm 1st, Loeb DNF
Acropolis Rally of Greece > Gronholm 1st, Loeb 2nd
Rally Finland > Gronholm 1st, Loeb 3rd
Rallye Deutschland > Loeb 1st, Gronholm 4th
Rally New Zealand > Gronholm 1st, Loeb 2nd
Rally Catalunya > Loeb 1st, Gronholm 3rd
Tour de Corse, France > Loeb 1st, Gronholm 2nd
Rally Japan > Gronholm DNF, Loeb DNF
Rally Ireland > Loeb 1st, Gronholm DNF
Rally Great Britain >

overall > Loeb 8, Gronholm 6
both finished > Loeb 7, Gronholm 5

DNF > Loeb 2 (Rally Italia-Sardinia, Rally Japan), Gronholm 2 (Rally Japan, Rally Ireland)
lowest finish > Loeb 14th (Rally Norway), Gronholm 4th (Rally de Portugal)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Wo...ionship_season

henk4 · 20 Nov 2007, 21:53 (Ref:2072023)

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Originally Posted by flying finn

Rallye Monte-Carlo > Loeb 1st, Gronholm 3rd
Swedish Rally > Gronholm 1st, Loeb 2nd
Rally Norway > Gronholm 2nd, Loeb 14th
Rally Mexico > Loeb 1st, Gronholm 2nd
Rally de Portugal > Loeb 1st, Gronholm 4th
Rally Argentina > Loeb 1st, Gronholm 2nd
Rally Italia-Sardinia > Gronholm 1st, Loeb DNF
Acropolis Rally of Greece > Gronholm 1st, Loeb 2nd
Rally Finland > Gronholm 1st, Loeb 3rd
Rallye Deutschland > Loeb 1st, Gronholm 4th
Rally New Zealand > Gronholm 1st, Loeb 2nd
Rally Catalunya > Loeb 1st, Gronholm 3rd
Tour de Corse, France > Loeb 1st, Gronholm 2nd
Rally Japan > Gronholm DNF, Loeb DNF
Rally Ireland > Loeb 1st, Gronholm DNF
Rally Great Britain >

overall > Loeb 8, Gronholm 6
both finished > Loeb 7, Gronholm 5

DNF > Loeb 2 (Rally Italia-Sardinia, Rally Japan), Gronholm 2 (Rally Japan, Rally Ireland)
lowest finish > Loeb 14th (Rally Norway), Gronholm 4th (Rally de Portugal)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Wo...ionship_season

good old Wiki doing it for us...and now the million dollar (ah, no let's change that to the million Euro) question...who deserves the title?

silver bullet · 21 Nov 2007, 09:04 (Ref:2072306)

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Originally Posted by henk4

good old Wiki doing it for us...and now the million dollar (ah, no let's change that to the million Euro) question...who deserves the title?

Whoever has the most points at the end of the season

henk4 · 21 Nov 2007, 09:19 (Ref:2072313)

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Originally Posted by silver bullet

Whoever has the most points at the end of the season

ah the naive approach, thinking that simple solutions will work here

Steve Wilkinson · 21 Nov 2007, 09:51 (Ref:2072329)

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Originally Posted by henk4

good old Wiki doing it for us...and now the million dollar (ah, no let's change that to the million Euro) question...who deserves the title?

I personally favour the driver who wins the most events! Even though that might mean Loeb being champion again.

I was very disappointed when Gronholm went out of Rally Ireland but Loeb then did a very professional job of grinding out the win. Pity that Ford were more concerned with getting the points for the Constructors title and kept Hirvonen on a tight leash!

mole2k · 29 Nov 2007, 07:02 (Ref:2077759)

I've put a few of my Rally Ireland shots in the photography section of this forum: here

henk4 · 29 Nov 2007, 07:34 (Ref:2077764)

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Originally Posted by mole2k

I've put a few of my Rally Ireland shots in the photography section of this forum: here

nice shots, lovely narrow roads....

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