|
||||||||||
|
||||||||||
2 Mar 2008, 11:40 (Ref:2142095) | #176 | ||||
Rookie
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 47
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Last edited by theugsquirrel; 2 Mar 2008 at 11:48. |
||||
|
2 Mar 2008, 13:43 (Ref:2142227) | #177 | |
Veteran
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 5,702
|
I repeat - simply if the armco was not on the apex of the corner, Ashley Cooper would most probably not have had an accident at all and we would not be having this discussion.
|
|
|
2 Mar 2008, 15:53 (Ref:2142301) | #178 | |
Racer
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 108
|
As for removing the armco on the apex, a curb might be even more dangerous as it'll unsettle the car at high speeds(unless you put a chicane before it god forbid). Most bad crashes at turn 8 happens just before the exit of the corner so thats the part where the safer barriers should be put. Btw had Ashley Cooper not have crashed that weekend we'll be debating about the Senna chicane instead.
|
|
|
2 Mar 2008, 21:57 (Ref:2142694) | #179 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 3,012
|
Quote:
|
|||
|
2 Mar 2008, 23:03 (Ref:2142775) | #180 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 12,236
|
Quote:
nonetheless, one of the most exciting corners in Ausi V8 series; much like "the kink" at Road America. I'm sorry to hear of Ashley Cooper's passing. |
|||
__________________
"Knowing that it's in you and you never let it out Is worse than blowing any engine or any wreck you'll ever have." -Mike Cooley |
2 Mar 2008, 23:12 (Ref:2142790) | #181 | ||
Racer
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 398
|
Quote:
Turn 8:Challenging, Yes. Dangerous... even more so. Nearly every driver in the field has gone in there at some stage. It has gone to the point where there is now a gentlemans agreement that nobody passes going into Turn 8. Change the corner, create a passing opp. Reduce the risk of further serious injuries. Indy does not have a fast corner -is it any less of a spectacle ? Re: PI ...This comment frankly is insulting. If you do not know of the tragedies that have occured at PI in the past, then i suggest you use your precious wiki to look it up. When Stewie McColl tragically passed, the PI people ploughed traps in certain sections to slow the cars, rather than have them wipe off little speed across the grass into the earth walls. It saved Mr Dumbrell the following year... Maybe it is enough, maybe not. My Point is the PI has some run off and traps to slow the cars before they hit. Adelaide does not. Last edited by Wood-duck; 2 Mar 2008 at 23:15. |
||
|
3 Mar 2008, 02:49 (Ref:2142921) | #182 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 5,702
|
Quote:
You could easily put a flat kerb in there like the ones on these corners - which would be perfect. |
||
|
3 Mar 2008, 06:28 (Ref:2142973) | #183 | |||||
Rookie
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 47
|
Quote:
Several drivers have gone to hit the wall at that angle and they have been fine, because there has not been such vast lateral head movement. Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
|||||
|
3 Mar 2008, 07:01 (Ref:2142984) | #184 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,529
|
This thread is becoming so boring, the same old info hashed over and over again.
Time to move on me thinks |
||
__________________
I reserve the right to arm bears |
3 Mar 2008, 07:57 (Ref:2143013) | #185 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 910
|
I agree, but the first point made about reverting to the original F1 circuit is the best option.
The crowds and corporate boxes have almost outgrown the current track anyway, so its a natural progression... |
||
__________________
Razors Edge Events - Home of the Speed Demons Cup! 16 Managers, 15 Events. 1 Champion! |
3 Mar 2008, 21:47 (Ref:2143612) | #186 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 3,012
|
Quote:
There were no braking skid marks in the grass what so ever prior to the impact point and as mentioned previously for a gravel trap to work the brakes have to be locked on so the wheels dig in. |
|||
|
4 Mar 2008, 00:15 (Ref:2143712) | #187 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 702
|
Quote:
Let me guess you are the OH&S officer at your workplace Definatly not the kinda person to make changes to a race track ..... If you give the drivers a inch, they will taker a mile, so widening the corner is not really a option... I think the SAFER barrier is the only thing that should be considered... Yes it is only currently used on permanent circuits but I can not see why it can not be setup on the exit to turn 8... The cost will not doubt lumped onto the punters.... Other than that the corner should not be changed because of a death (RIP Ashley) as I think we will all find that something else was a factor in his death and not just the corner as countless other people have crashed there and are still alive today.... ..... Also on general track safety I think the run off areas as used on the Paul Ricard circuit should be looked at as a replacement for some gravel traps in the future, if any new circuits ever get built in Australia (wishful thinking) http://www.circuitpaulricard.com/med...aPiste2_xl.jpg http://www.circuitpaulricard.com/med...stbaume_xl.jpg Strips of coarse stones which slow the cars down and at worst will cut up a set of tyres and apparently do a very good job of allowing the driver to straighten up the car and drive out of most mishaps... Oh hang on the V8s carn't afford to cut up a set of tyres so scrap that idea |
||
|
4 Mar 2008, 09:31 (Ref:2143958) | #188 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 862
|
Quote:
Indeed. Turn 4 (Honda) is one of the slowest corners on the track and has been altered several time since the track reopened in the late 80s. The flag point used to be on drivers left and often got hit and many drivers have gone home with straight cars since it was moved and they sailed harmlessly through the dirt where the earth wall and flag point used to be. The run into Honda now has one of the biggest gravel traps on driver's right since all those pesky trees were removed. The return road provides a good escape if you mess up your braking. However, if you don't lose any speed at all in the braking zone and leave the circuit at full noise due to the pedal going to the floor the impact with the wall will be severe. |
|||
|
5 Mar 2008, 08:50 (Ref:2144744) | #189 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,087
|
I've watch the accident a few times and whilst a huge Impact I am suprised Ashley dies as a result when all the force went passenger side and when the car rolled back to the other side it looked as though Ashley was still on the brakes.
If you ask any driver they love challenging corners and turn 8 is simply one of them, the drivers are well aware of the risks and it is their choice to go into the car or not accepting that there is always a chance of an accident. There are many roads more dangerous than turn 8 in the world where people die each month so putting this into perspective turn 8 for me should remain. I haven't read all the threads posted but was the Inital Impact the reason Ashley died, I understand head Injuries were the reason so was there an Intrusion into the cockpit. I really feel for his family as it just didnt look like a crash that someone could not recover from. |
|
|
6 Mar 2008, 02:26 (Ref:2145338) | #190 | ||||
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,117
|
Quote:
an article about Jeff Gordon's crash on the weekend in Las Vegas had some pointed remarks: Quote:
sure drivers know the risk, BUT, if there is a way to limit the risk then it should be done. SAFER barrier, remove Armco, move the wall back |
||||
|
6 Mar 2008, 06:43 (Ref:2145401) | #191 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,529
|
Quote:
|
|||
__________________
I reserve the right to arm bears |
6 Mar 2008, 10:32 (Ref:2145501) | #192 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,117
|
old?
|
||
|
7 Mar 2008, 03:28 (Ref:2146119) | #193 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 2,540
|
Quote:
|
|||
|
7 Mar 2008, 05:44 (Ref:2146152) | #194 | ||
Rookie
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 47
|
Quote:
|
||
|
7 Mar 2008, 11:09 (Ref:2146256) | #195 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,645
|
Did anone manage to catch the report by the well respected Today Tonight about making motorsport safer? I missed it 'cos I was driving, but I did manage to catch a promo, and it looked like all the info was derived from either wiki, or ten-tenths. I suppose it was the usual uniformed media beat up about how motorsport should be banned, and I'm sure they managed to get a greenie, and probably Harold Scruby (just as well respecet in the motoring community) as well, just for some journalistic credability.
Mick |
||
__________________
Supercars isn't the sport. The sport is motor racing. |
7 Mar 2008, 11:56 (Ref:2146285) | #196 | ||
Racer
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 493
|
Basically just a big promo for the new "safer barrier" used on the ovals.
They come out now and say that if they were there Cooper would still be alive. No mention of the countless acidents on that corner who have walked away. Said they've been in use for a few years now in america but fail to mention that until recently (if ever) that they haven't been used on temp walls before. $1000 a metre for this wall, who will pay for it? Since the Clipsal actually makes money i don't see where this would be an issue. If/when available i'd say that they'd be on adelaide's to-do list straight away. |
||
__________________
F1 - Ricciardo, V8 - Tander and McLaughlin, Indy - Power and Briscoe, NASCAR - Ambrose, Moto GP - Parkes in 2014. |
7 Mar 2008, 12:05 (Ref:2146290) | #197 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,645
|
I would like to know if AC's seat breaking had anything to do with the injuries that he sustained. Because if it did, how do you factor that into designing a car/track? Should you also assume that an engine might blow up, and so legislate a 600rpm limit?
Mick |
||
__________________
Supercars isn't the sport. The sport is motor racing. |
10 Mar 2008, 09:33 (Ref:2148126) | #198 | |
Veteran
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 16,040
|
was watching the v8s on the weekend at a permamnent track with runoffs and gravel traps and tyre walls and it appears that those things dont really make motorsport safe, down one car and if some other factor came into play like a seat or belt failure we could have been down one main game driver
|
|
|
17 Mar 2008, 11:05 (Ref:2154559) | #199 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 4,394
|
FPR might be lucky and salvage $50,000 of parts of the Castrol car.....with reasonable run-off on the said corner
|
||
__________________
Tranquillity - What happens inside Shane's race car. Chaos - What happens outside Jamie's race car. |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
I think i may have a possible solution to the Adelaide turn 8 problems | M-Kart | Australasian Touring Cars. | 17 | 23 Mar 2005 11:45 |
Circuit Adelaide Turn 9 Fans' Facilities Deplorable! | mmciau | Australasian Touring Cars. | 2 | 17 Mar 2005 10:34 |
Adelaide 500 Turn 8 Video | BJAY | Australasian Touring Cars. | 24 | 31 Mar 2004 05:46 |
Adelaide Turn 8 - the Dunlop Sweeper | Forbesy | Australasian Touring Cars. | 8 | 16 Mar 2004 12:54 |
Adelaide R1 - pretty boring - has Adelaide lost its magic?? | Michael H | Australasian Touring Cars. | 58 | 5 Apr 2002 23:47 |