Best of British Rallycross 6th July Croft

[golfvanman]

i too was very dissapointed that lawrence was not allowed to race as by far he was the best on the day .

The organisers stated that the best of british final was for 4wd cars only. Then just before the final larry announced that they were allowing 2wd cars in and both myself and Phil ' the power ' Chicken were on the back row of the grid.

We both rushed to get our cars refuled and ready for the start....... only to sit on the dummy grid looking like a pair of dummy's to be told by the marshall's that we were not on the grid sheet as the organiser had changed his mind again............ whats going on ?

[CS1]

Not that you are biased in any way though Mark!

[chunder]

Erm interesting reflections from many people here.

Hardly Best of British now is it!

[leonidas]

To be fair, if the regs said that Group B cars were ineligible for the BOB final then presumably Lawrence knew this before confirming his entry?

No one doubts that his 6R4 is a great bit of kit but European fans must be completely mystified as to why a Group B cars is leading the British championship so long after they were banned from international competition.

[M.Lowe]

Originally Posted by CS1

Not that you are biased in any way though Mark!

Yes and no
like said above and in Motorsport News letters if its a best of british event then shouldnt all be allowed to have the chance to race in it

I have a lot of respect for Peter Stott and what hes done for Rallycross but his comment in MN stating they want more modern cars, well why is Bob Goodings old car allowed to compete then?
I am not having a go at Bob but that of the age of the car.

Its a farce thats its called the Best of British
Even the BRDA knew nothing of this

It said the top five drivers from each championship wher due to go head to head
The final instructions where issued shortly before the event

It is quoted by Peter Stott that Group B car where banned in Europe in 92 (yes we know that) but at least one championship still allows them which there are fans still wanting to see this car until it goes away gracefully
Stott says we are keen to promote modern cars in rallycross
Wonder what older cars hes gonna throw out of his championship then?


It a joke

There is also a letter from a fan mentioning why this happened too in MN
And an article on it from Gibson himself

[subaru man]

The european fans are just sad they dont have any group b cars still in rallycross over there the man won the right to race and he should have been let that was not the best of british if it was he should have been let race it's not like they had to re write there rule book . we would all like to race modern cars but we dont have the money so we race what we have some old and some new that's the way it is . did the race have 10 supercar's able to make it to the start .

[golfvanman]

I have a lot of respect for Peter Stott and what hes done for Rallycross but his comment in MN stating they want more modern cars, well why is Bob Goodings old car allowed to compete then?
I am not having a go at Bob but that of the age of the car.

bob's quaifying time was 4.13 and Phil Chickens was 4.05 in his 1.6 16v stockhatch , think for the next BEST OF BRITISH race there needs to be a few rule changes

[leonidas]

But its the regs that rule the event... didn't they state that the event iwas limited to cars originally homologated as Group A, N or Supertouring? Bob's car would originally have been Group A (presumably). The 6R4 is obviously Group B. In this sense it is nothing to do with age.

[M.Lowe]

Originally Posted by leonidas

But its the regs that rule the event... didn't they state that the event iwas limited to cars originally homologated as Group A, N or Supertouring? Bob's car would originally have been Group A (presumably). The 6R4 is obviously Group B. In this sense it is nothing to do with age.

Surely its changed quite a bit since Mr Hopkins had it and when did Ford Homologate a WRC spoiler on a MK4
bit of age difference there and if I remember rightly MK4 Escorts in Rallycross couldn't have the cossy whale tail spoiler on it either

Rules made up to suit as they go along me thinks

[mooch]

Originally Posted by leonidas

To be fair, if the regs said that Group B cars were ineligible for the BOB final then presumably Lawrence knew this before confirming his entry?

Lawrence was not aware of this when he confirmed his entry, likewise Liam Doran (FWIW) the finals regs which stated this information were not submitted until a few days before the event.

[M.Lowe]

Originally Posted by mooch

Lawrence was not aware of this when he confirmed his entry, likewise Liam Doran (FWIW) the finals regs which stated this information were not submitted until a few days before the event.

Thats true as I received an email from Lawrence on the 4th of July saying he got his final instructions


Hi Mark Doing Croft this Sunday
will let you know how we go (He wasnt aware I was going to spectate after Dave Ewin not doing it)

The event is advertised as Best of British which is best five
from BRDA and Super Series on the day going head
to head/last race
Just been informed in final instructions from P Stott
no Group B cars allowed to run, going to see if this silly rule can be changed
Seemingly it would look bad if an old Group B car won
Regards Lawrence

[leonidas]

Fair enough - I've got some sympathy for Lawrence if the information was supplied late although if there is any doubt its always the responsibility of the entrant to make sure their vehicle is eligible. Just sounds like a breakdown of communication to me.

There is a difference between turning a blind eye to minor issues on an uncompetitive car (such as a WRC spoiler) and allowing a competitive car which blatently does not meet the regulations. Having issued final instructions they could hardly then turn round and let the 6R4 run - that would be making up rules as you go along.

[M.Lowe]

The thing is Leonidas
Yes I do love the 6R4's but the issue here is P Stott wants Modern cars.
Bob's is clearly NOT a modern car yet allowed to run and older than the Metro
This was my point, and how much of Bob's car is original when Hopkins had it
Not much I reckon and like Guffy said on another thread the O'Donovan (as nice as it is to be seen out) is not eligable (Yes modern) but still not in the rules as those cars are not allowed in European events either so theres room for all inc Liam's RS200 if he hadn't of had his accidents as it was not a Championship round or a European event as we know and this is why Lawrence, myself and fans of the cars where not happy about it not being allowed to be run

[craig hope]

Originally Posted by M.Lowe

The thing is Leonidas
Yes I do love the 6R4's but the issue here is P Stott wants Modern cars.

But if P Stott wanted modern cars in rallycross what about the new classes in the Open.

205 and BMW RWD Challenge added to 09 Rallycross Open Championship package

You cant run a rallycross event without some older car's or what do you consider a modern car ?

[M.Lowe]

Better ask Peter Stott that one Craig what he considers modern
As a MK4 Escort certainly isnt and even 205's

I agree on older cars being allowed but what year of manufacturer do you cut off

[HrRACING]

Originally Posted by M.Lowe

Surely its changed quite a bit since Mr Hopkins had it and when did Ford Homologate a WRC spoiler on a MK4
bit of age difference there and if I remember rightly MK4 Escorts in Rallycross couldn't have the cossy whale tail spoiler on it either

Have Ford homologated the spoiler used by Erikkson and Doran?

[craig hope]

I don't i think there should be classes for all car.

Some of the better racing comes from the old cars.
not many new cars can go sideways which gives good tv, is this not what really counts promote the sport brings in new drivers and new cars in a way....

[M.Lowe]

Originally Posted by HrRACING

Have Ford homologated the spoiler used by Erikkson and Doran?

Pass

[craig hope]

do you think we will have rallycross at teeside karting

[M.Lowe]

I would love to see the Rallycross return there Craig as its only 5 minutes from me

I think it was said there needed to be at least 10k of development to make the track into a rallycross one but there is some loose land there that could be used to join up to the circuit but the spectator area needs to be lengthened around the track
I hope it does take off

[Cryos]

Originally Posted by HrRACING

Have Ford homologated the spoiler used by Erikkson and Doran?

Dosnt apply anymore, as example Jernbergs car isnt homologated (it falls under some newish rules, which RX-Guru will probably be happy to explain )