EX F3000 Chassis currently sprinting?

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by chunterer

Nice info, however I see most of them are now abroad!!

How many and in who's hands are potentially left over here currently?!

I suspect this query would really have been better placed elsewhere as once a car has gone out of the UK Speed Event scene we tend to ignore it.

[chunterer]

Well Steve, considering the excellent feedback i've had on here so far I think it was well worth it.

However i'm also exploring club circuit activity as well to cover the bases.

[Arty B]

Originally Posted by driftwood

cars used so far in sprints
reynards
88d judd bv and EV martin dowling
89d cossy dfr tony holdich chassis in ireland?
89d judd cv Pete Griffeths now usa
93d Mark harrison mugen now in france
93d Belton AC then boss now usa
93d AC terry clifford never used sold to Kilty
93D judd CV john minds gone blank ?? not yet running
94D John Garnet DFR now usa
94d cossy HB Chris Hill now in eec

Lola 9050 Chris Hill DFR
Lola 9150 The eyles x3 dfr judd cv motors
Lola 9150 dfr Kilty chassis in ireland
Carl amos took Hill car when he bought 94d
Now Steve you can fill in the missing cars!!!!!!!!!

Mind gone blank....................that would be John Fellows.

Out of interest going further back the March 85B that Jon Toulmin ran in Sprints in the late eighties/early nineties was delivered to Belgium this afternoon after languishing in his garage in Stratford Upon Avon for many years. This was the first F3000 Championship winning car in 1985 driven by Christian Danner.

Missed off your list is the John Hanline Lola 91/50 Mugen that Damon Milnes has up for sale. Proper F3000 spec car that runs and is sitting in Stoke On Trent.

[driftwood]

yes john fellows name entered my head last night driving home!
Hanline never sprinted the car did BOSS race
march 85B is 842 with bigger fuel cell and fgb gbix for dfv
god knows why PM boiught the car for no where to run post 80 cars except BOSS or sprinting
there is also the lola 90 91 that SPA cut around for hillclimbing

re cars left to run today
only true spec F3000 cars on the button are hanlines lola kilty reynard
roy woodhouse never got his lola cars running with wrong motors
ex Dowling 88d has CV judd fitted
phil price sprinte d88d with dfz car now in west country to be running soon

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by driftwood

there is also the lola 90 91 that SPA cut around for hillclimbing

Also known as the ATOL-Lola which was tried by various worthies including Andy Priaulx, Roger Moran and Martin Groves. It went back to Keith Walker, the originator of the project, who still has the car.

[Arty B]

I think Rich alludes to it. Mark Lawrence's Reynard 90D Mugen. Bought for sprinting late 1999 but never seen.

[blackx]

Originally Posted by Steve Wilkinson

Also known as the ATOL-Lola which was tried by various worthies including Andy Priaulx, Roger Moran and Martin Groves. It went back to Keith Walker, the originator of the project, who still has the car.

The Atol-Judd

[b1ackcr0w]

I always thought it held Grover back, he always seemed to be either forcing it to do something it couldn't or sorting out a new handling characteristic it would suddenly develop mid corner.

Never saw it in the hands of anybody else mind.

[blackx]

Originally Posted by b1ackcr0w

I always thought it held Grover back, he always seemed to be either forcing it to do something it couldn't or sorting out a new handling characteristic it would suddenly develop mid corner.

Never saw it in the hands of anybody else mind.

Roger Moran had a crack at it before Martin..

It was an ill handling beast to say the least..

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by blackx

Roger Moran had a crack at it before Martin..

It was an ill handling beast to say the least..

I suspect that IF someone took a chance with the car it could well prove to be an excellent sprinter rather than a hillclimber. However it would take a far few hours to sort it out. Wonder how much Keith Walker wants for it?

[Raceng]

For my sins I worked on the Atol Judd late in its build programme once all the design had been sorted by Keith with input from others . It was drawn up by Keith and even though me and him fell out later on over personal issues I have the upmost respect for the guy who sat down with a car and sheets of paper and re jigged a F3000 car into something that would be better suited to Hillclimbs and to some extent sprints , One issue that nobody realised was that both Keith and Amanda drove this car as a shared unit and neither of them was anywhere near their optimum driving position . Some of the design ideas were sound engineering sense , having smaller front tyres in circumference than standard and idea to try and get them to heat up quicker as they would have to do more work per square inch of tyre , the fact that meant lowering all the pick up points on the tub . lowering the steering rack was a knock on effect that caused Kieth discomfort as his shins were very close to the rack itself , if he could of been further back it would of been better , but as the steering column was also a compromise for the two of them it compounded the problem .

I also have a small amount of knowledge of John Garnett's and Carl Amos's cars as I prepared Richard Hargreaves car who lives near Giggleswick and the other 2 lived about 3 miles away in Rathmell ,

Thinking about it I have been around a bit , and would love to get back into preparing a car for someone local to me , just for the fun of it really as after coming out of running cars full time I am now a assistant service manager at a ford dealership .

Andy Priaulx tested it for Keith at curbourough a few days after he won the hillclimb title , David Gould was present at the test and had some input into moving development forward but as sometimes happens other things took over and Keith and Amanda were very busy developing their bussiness , Atol Racking , and Versatile Construction , so development time was short .

[driftwood]

I belive in Horses for courses F3000 cars are not suite dto narrow Uk hillcimbs ok for EEC events with wider roads 4-10 km races
F3000 car is ok for sprinting but the uk hillclimbing does not suit the wider heavier chassis hence why Gould etc utilise the F3 size tub and fit narrow track suspension with F1 engine gearboxex
Rod eyles took a lola 91 and cut n shut the suspension to go sprinting and hillclimbing but it needed time and $ thrown at it to get to it working better

[Euromontagna]

I find this thread today.. well, it is interesting for me.. I have some chassis numbers of cars used in European Hillclimb championship... I would like to share the info...
some Lolas from hillclimbs are:
T87/50-04
T88/50-30
T93/50-17
T96/50-12,25,41

and of course many B99/50


some Reynards:
88D-013
91D-007,022,029
92D-037
93D-014
94D-025
95D-005,009,011,030

and also some 99L,01L

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by Euromontagna

I find this thread today.. well, it is interesting for me.. I have some chassis numbers of cars used in European Hillclimb championship... I would like to share the info...
some Lolas from hillclimbs are:
T87/50-04
T88/50-30
T93/50-17
T96/50-12,25,41

and of course many B99/50


some Reynards:
88D-013
91D-007,022,029
92D-037
93D-014
94D-025
95D-005,009,011,030

and also some 99L,01L

Do you have any potted histories of the cars such as Current & previous owners?

Thanks.

[Euromontagna]

I have the current owners, only several original.. I will prepare some list....

[Sheila M]

Originally Posted by Steve Wilkinson

That was the Woodhouse clan.

Thanks! Is it still sprinting?

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by Sheila M

Thanks! Is it still sprinting?

As far as I am aware the Woodhouse clan still own the car, however I haven't seen them out sprinting for some time (I believe that they still own the car as they tend not to sell!).

[driftwood]

Roy did mumble about getting 1 of the lola cars running for the nephew to drive Roys driving days are long gone but he is certainly a character!

[Arty B]

Originally Posted by Steve Wilkinson

As far as I am aware the Woodhouse clan still own the car, however I haven't seen them out sprinting for some time (I believe that they still own the car as they tend not to sell!).

Steve

Indeed they do still have both and I have seen them in the past few weeks. Doug was telling me that the DFR engined car is the chassis in which Alan McNish had that rather nasty accident at Donington.

Nick.

[driftwood]

yes rather unfortunate accident on the straight and going over the fence
it took AM some time to get over it and get back on the pace

[Thundersports]

I would think that tub is pretty screwed, it had a big effect on Allan as he was in a coma for several days and I think it took the "edge" off his driving that he never clawed back. I have seen the shunt and it is not pleasent viewing.

[chunterer]

Hmmm, Allan showed great courage and determination when he recovered quickly and won the next round at Silverstone IIRC and was in the hunt for the title for most of the season.

[Euromontagna]

Try to find some lola or reynards chassis history on hillclimbs on my new page - http://www.euromontagna.com/searchmakes.php?lng=1