Massa losing Ferrari drive?

herowassenna · 9 Apr 2010, 08:29 (Ref:2669314)

An article in this weeks Autosport questions whether Massa is going to lose his position at Ferrari, possibly to Kubica. It suggests that Alonso and Kubica are firm friends and that Ferrari management are already disappointed in Massa's ultimate pace, and despite Massa having beaten Alonso in the last two GP's they feel Alonso is already starting to dominate the team.
Any thoughts??

gwyllion · 9 Apr 2010, 08:37 (Ref:2669320)

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/artic...assa-contract/ reports the exact opposite.

Super Hans · 9 Apr 2010, 08:38 (Ref:2669321)

It is only natural that a team will evaluate their drivers. I'm sure all top teams are having a looking at Bobby K but it doesn't necessarily mean it'll happen.

Grandpa_Rob · 9 Apr 2010, 08:41 (Ref:2669322)

To early in the season for driver team change rumours.

herowassenna · 9 Apr 2010, 09:30 (Ref:2669345)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/artic...assa-contract/ reports the exact opposite.

They've already started work on their 2011 car.....

**Bononi** · 9 Apr 2010, 12:19 (Ref:2669439)

Massa will stay for more 3 years :

http://www.band.com.br/esporte/formu....asp?ID=286935

http://f1around.wordpress.com/2010/0...r-com-ferrari/

It was also said during the broadcast of the last GP.

Chatters · 9 Apr 2010, 13:53 (Ref:2669498)

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Originally Posted by herowassenna

Ferrari management are already disappointed in Massa's ultimate pace

Yeah, I'd sure be disappointed too, I mean, only leading one Formula 1 World Championship? Come on Felipe, pick up your game!

Alex Hodgkinson · 9 Apr 2010, 14:58 (Ref:2669525)

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Originally Posted by Chatters

Yeah, I'd sure be disappointed too, I mean, only leading one Formula 1 World Championship? Come on Felipe, pick up your game!

If they are disappointed then it must be in reference to his slow start to this year. He was awesome in 2008 (Hungary, Turkey, Brazil and Valencia where he was clearly the class of the field) but he's not shown that pace so far this year - although his performance was strong in Malaysia. I feel that he's in a similar situation to Michael Schumacher, trying to ease himself back into the groove.

When he does find his best form he will be showing a clean pair of heels to Alonso, I'm sure of that.

Toorop · 9 Apr 2010, 15:26 (Ref:2669539)

Yeh right, they'll hire Kubica just because he's alonso's friend...I don't see why they would let Massa go, he's been doing a good job since he joined Ferrari. I'm much more inclined to believe they want to extend his contract.

Btw, it was the spanish media who started with this Kubica/Massa rumor?

Mr V · 9 Apr 2010, 17:47 (Ref:2669599)

I don't see why they'd want to drop Felipe personally, after all, if they really did want to, they had the ideal oppertunity after his accident.

Marbot · 9 Apr 2010, 18:09 (Ref:2669612)

Maybe we should see how he performs for the rest of the season. From an outsiders point of view he would appear to be looking pretty strong.

**Adam43** · 9 Apr 2010, 18:40 (Ref:2669630)

Sounds like a good move to me.

However this is just an article in Autosport.

edu · 10 Apr 2010, 00:27 (Ref:2669777)

After Massa retiring Villeneuve, Schumacher and Raikkonen... Now is Alonso.

**Bononi** · 10 Apr 2010, 00:29 (Ref:2669778)

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Originally Posted by Alex Hodgkinson

If they are disappointed then it must be in reference to his slow start to this year. He was awesome in 2008 (Hungary, Turkey, Brazil and Valencia where he was clearly the class of the field) but he's not shown that pace so far this year - although his performance was strong in Malaysia. I feel that he's in a similar situation to Michael Schumacher, trying to ease himself back into the groove.

When he does find his best form he will be showing a clean pair of heels to Alonso, I'm sure of that.

And poor kid, he was celebrating that this is his best season start in his entire career, despite having a near-fatal accident, miss the rest of the season, being almost considered ruined for driving in F1 and the usual discredit from everyone else...

That's bad !

**bjohnsonsmith** · 10 Apr 2010, 05:51 (Ref:2669838)

It's a bit early for the silly season.

**Bononi** · 10 Apr 2010, 11:44 (Ref:2669967)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

It's a bit early for the silly season.

This is the silly season !!!

JeremySmith · 10 Apr 2010, 17:56 (Ref:2670188)

Felipe is not going anywhere he is perfect at Ferrari, the team love him..I am delighted to see him back racing..

Neil22 · 11 Apr 2010, 00:54 (Ref:2670358)

This will seem pretty silly when Massa wins the WDC this year.

Marbot · 11 Apr 2010, 01:09 (Ref:2670363)

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Originally Posted by Neil22

This will seem pretty silly when Massa wins the WDC this year.

Indeed it will.

But any how, I think he's the perfect driver for Ferrari at the moment. It's up to him to ensure that he doesn't become the new 'Barrichello'.

Gingers4Justice · 11 Apr 2010, 01:20 (Ref:2670367)

I really do hope this is nothing more than an Autosport article...how Ferrari can be dissapointed with Massa's pace after 3 Grand Prix, races in which he has been as good as his team mate, I don't pretend to understand.

Maybe, if the Scuderia are so concerned about Alonso dominating, they should tell him to slow down

wnut · 11 Apr 2010, 05:58 (Ref:2670413)

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Originally Posted by Neil22

This will seem pretty silly when Massa wins the WDC this year.

Frank Williams seems to take a delight in dropping his World Champions and Brawn did the same with Button.
Ferrari dumped Schu for Kimi.
Ferrari dumped Kimi for Alonso with a contract.

Kubica with Alonso as a team mate at Ferrari should ensure a rapid end to a friendship!

Even so I think Massa will prove too fast for Alonso in the end.

strider · 11 Apr 2010, 10:21 (Ref:2670540)

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Originally Posted by Neil22

This will seem pretty silly when Massa wins the WDC this year.

I don't think he will, but it's still fanciful to imagine that he won't do well enough to keep his drive.

Over at Renault RobKub is showing himself to be a genuine #1 driver, both in terms of performance of the track and moulding the team into an effective force off it. I don't know where he will go from there, unless TGH does decide to call it a day at the end of the season.

**Bononi** · 11 Apr 2010, 13:20 (Ref:2670679)

Kubica would fit anywhere, he's that kind of driver that seems to be "team friendly", so I wouldn't be surprise he moving to any of the top teams, or if Renault prove to be a challenge in the WCC/WDC, remaining there.

Ralf's Girl · 11 Apr 2010, 15:09 (Ref:2670820)

It wouldn't surprise me to see any top team keeping an eye on Kubica this year, but if Ferrari want him it won't have anything to do with whether he's Alonso's mate or not.

I think Alonso will comfortably have the measure of Massa over the season, but the two of them may actually be the partnership to give Ferrari the best shot at both championships. No internal squabbles (yet), both proven winners, both quick, both consistent. If Alonso starts to look the better option for the title, Massa has also shown he's more than capable of playing a strong supporting role. There aren't a lot of drivers who have shown that they can be both a team leader (2008) and play second fiddle (2007), and if Ferrari had Alonso and Kubica, I don't think either of them would want to give way.

strider · 11 Apr 2010, 15:49 (Ref:2670870)

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Originally Posted by Ralf's Girl

It wouldn't surprise me to see any top team keeping an eye on Kubica this year, but if Ferrari want him it won't have anything to do with whether he's Alonso's mate or not.

I think Alonso will comfortably have the measure of Massa over the season, but the two of them may actually be the partnership to give Ferrari the best shot at both championships. No internal squabbles (yet), both proven winners, both quick, both consistent. If Alonso starts to look the better option for the title, Massa has also shown he's more than capable of playing a strong supporting role. There aren't a lot of drivers who have shown that they can be both a team leader (2008) and play second fiddle (2007), and if Ferrari had Alonso and Kubica, I don't think either of them would want to give way.

I agree with all of that, and in any case Joe Saward is saying that Massa's contract is about to be extended and he is normally a pretty reliable source. Link.

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