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5 Jun 2011, 13:05 (Ref:2891463) | #1 | |
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Please sign this petition
This isn't just a threat to stock car racing it affects all motorsport events in London!
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/...n-stadium.html |
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5 Jun 2011, 14:35 (Ref:2891514) | #2 | ||
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This is a very narrowly based appeal and it is difficult to support on those grounds alone. London has major pollution issues to address and getting rid of older vehicles seems an obvious first step. On balance I think it is a reasonable one. So while I support people who want to enjoy their activities, I don't think that I can support the petition.
Regards Jim Whitaker |
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5 Jun 2011, 15:00 (Ref:2891533) | #3 | ||
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instead of scruffy old ex-breakdown wagons or flatbeds with HIABs why cannot competitors use a modern towcar and trailer?
Is this legislation perceived as a problem for the Crystal Palace Sprint also? |
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5 Jun 2011, 15:20 (Ref:2891545) | #4 | ||
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Yes it's a great shame but I can't see the "powers that be" making an exception just for this one venue.
As for "not racing for profit" don't forget that only a "very" few people do and most clubbie events on average (when everything is taken into account) probably cost 1K or more for the "normal" weekend warrior. This has been on the cards for a while and it was only a matter of time before the axe fell. I started my racing on the ovals and it was a good way to learn car and race control on the cheap as we actually used to get paid and the race entries were free (something the larger circuits don't want to know about) OK I know pro rata that the oval circuits attract more spectators and don't have the expense of running a large circuit and facilities. I remember a petition to save the old Cross in Hand track that fell on deaf ears all those years ago but obviously that was a different kettle of fish to Wimbledon now. Although a petition is the only thing that can be done I'm afraid the decision has already been made. It would probably be different if some of the MPs raced the ovals |
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5 Jun 2011, 16:23 (Ref:2891563) | #5 | |||
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Not everyone can afford a modern (post 2002/3)tow-car/vehicle! |
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5 Jun 2011, 17:15 (Ref:2891581) | #6 | ||
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You aren't going to do anything about it, there's been petitions and lobbying for the past 6 or more years from people like the caravan club regarding motorhomes and small camper vans that are affected.
The people you need to be lobbying are at the EU in Brussels as they make the rules about air quality and parties of both political persuasions try and meet them best they can. Apart from that, both Boris and Ken hate cars and trucks so you are banging your head against a very hard brick wall with them. |
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5 Jun 2011, 18:31 (Ref:2891627) | #7 | ||
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Dear Cooperbottom, as I began my early life being involved in speedway, and indeed being one of the founders of "Bring Speedway Back To Birmingham", I fully understand the need to at least "Have A Go" at getting them to change their minds.
It will be a difficult fight, but my best wishes go to all of you. ps We did get "The Brummies" up and running again, against tough opposition. pps Great pity about Wimbledon "Dons" not racing. Gerry. |
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5 Jun 2011, 21:00 (Ref:2891732) | #8 | |||
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Wimbledon is about Stock Cars, HotRods, and Bangers. Chips cheeseburgers and hotdogs. Crystal Palace is about heritage, "up-market" motorsport. Cornish Pasties, Lasagne, Baked Potatoes. One uses whatever they can afford to get them there, and attracts thousands to come and watch. The other spends thousands (and more) and nobody comes to watch. If Wimbledon is allowed to die because of tree-hugger legislation (which is based on poor interpretation of misleading "facts"), then the sport, overall, is doomed. Air quality in the city has been improved dramatically since the LEZ and the CCZ were put into place. This exemption would make very little difference to that. Perhaps the City of London could offer grants to StockCar racers to buy new "cleaner" transporters. They waste money on many other projects. We, and I include me (who doesn't like 1/4mile ovals), need this petition. My friends, colleagues, and fellow racing drivers, please support this by the simple act of "signing" it. |
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5 Jun 2011, 23:01 (Ref:2891812) | #9 | ||
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are you really suggesting that class dictates whether laws should be obeyed or not?
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6 Jun 2011, 06:03 (Ref:2891891) | #10 | ||
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Change tow vehicle and trailer? With even a ratty old 4 wheel trailer like I sold costing a season's entry fees, I can't see that being a solution.
I don't think there's a cat in hell's chance of this petition succeeding, I reckon all motor sport is living on borrowed time anyway. However, I have a lot of customers in the oval racing world so out of naked self interest I will be signing it and advertising my signature. These things tend to be what Yes Minister called salami tactics. Today the LEZ, tomorrow the M25 "because it's adversely affecting the capital", then Bristol, Reading, Swindon have LEZs and pretty much the whole of the M4 corridor is closed to older vehicles. Then they start on petrol cars, classic cars, anything that doesn't pass "tough clean air legislation to enhance your children's quality of life". We won't be able to stop it, but at least I'll know I've made a small stand. |
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6 Jun 2011, 07:04 (Ref:2891906) | #11 | ||
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Just buy a 4WD with a big petrol engine in it (Cheap as Chips as no one wants them) and convert to gas or like I have done and do the same with an old Chevy Dayvan. I want to breath clean air and my shop is just half a mile in the zone on a main road and I welcome it. The class argument is rubbish because one of the hardest effected are owners of horse boxes that dont comply. These old vehicles are generally in immaculate condition with low miles and are expensive coach built vehicles but they will still be effected. And wha about the small builder and tradesman? Chap in my shop the otherday is two years off retirement and has had to shell out for a new van something he definitely didnt want, good news is I will get to signwrite it lol! You won't change this its without exceptions the coach company next door to me are spending fortunes to comply, some will simply go under.
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6 Jun 2011, 07:44 (Ref:2891930) | #12 | |||
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Also, surely if you are getting these thousands of supporters, surely some of the profit made by the stadium could go back into subsidising the congestion charge? There must be options other than moaning and petitioning. |
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6 Jun 2011, 07:48 (Ref:2891931) | #13 | ||
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Short of thousands of people laying down in the road for weeks I really don't think a petition will make any difference whatsoever.
This may be an apathetic view but if people won't get behind fuel increase marches and blockades(that affect everybody) then I don't think that a cause for Wimbledon Stadium will be very high on the radar ! |
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9 Jun 2011, 21:17 (Ref:2894705) | #15 | |||
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Al - for the LEZ (which is the issue here, not the congestion charge), my Fleetwood with it's small 454ci engine can come through happily at no charge. It's the diesel engined commercial vehicles that are pre-Euro3 (and it'll soon be updated to be pre-Euro4!). They're the ones getting stung. I agree, the petition will most likely have no chance of success, but we are all entitled to have a freedom of speech and expression. If you do not speak, then nobody will hear you. |
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