fire tender rolls at brands hatch??

[graham bahr]

it was an unfortunate incident, nothing more nothing less, and should be left at that!

[bdwoody]

^^^^^ exactly that ^^^^^.

[PVDA]

Originally Posted by Uncle Cranker

Quite a few of my fellow team members (not PVDA, he is like the tortoise, who gets there in one piece at the end), have had an off a number of times (with no adverse results) and each time overdriving was the only cause.

I've had a few minor run wides and half loses in my time actually and usually involve finding something on the surface that wasn't there last time through.

Another team member likes to remind people driving an FIV (or MIV as they seem to like calling them these days) "It's not much good driving like a mad man to an incident if the first thing the medics with you do is fall out of the car, kiss the ground and throw up when you get there".

Rule 1 is you've got to look after yourself and your crew and the incident comes second.

In the case of this incident a harmless lose turned pear shaped due to the type of vehicle involved.

Although probably not the case in this incident some who drive emergency vehicles on race tracks are frustrated race drivers and everytime they turn a wheel seem to want to break the lap record.

[chinook220]

Its a bit of a shame this thread has gone off on such a tangent, it was original started to find out what had happened and if all persons involved were ok? IN MY HUMBLE OPINION THE MOST IMPORTANT THING!!!.

Having read some of the replies and now points of view, I posted a couple of suggestions hoping it would spark an reasoned conversation/debate on possible improvements that may or may not have helped in this situation or in general help improve marshals both track side and vehicle borne safety and available equipment.

Having read the article in “THE MARSHAL” that arrived in the post last week talking about changes to equipment carried on rescue vehicles and medical response vehicles at events possibly we could come up with some sensible ideas about the type and use of vehicles and the equipment that carry.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT CRITISIM OF CURRENT RESCUE/FIRE/RECOVERY/AMBULANCE PERSONNAL, WORKING PRACTICES, TEAMS ETC

Regards Chinook220

[Flavio Galtieri]

Personally I think all relavent volunteer marshalls should receive suitable driver training and perhaps that would help ensure this incident was a one off.

Vehicles do not usually overturn simply because they unexpectedly encounter slippery surfaces, they usually overturn due to incorrect control inputs or as a result of hitting something.

I am not criticising the unfortunate driver here, just offering a point of view.

[Guinness2702]

Originally Posted by Piglet

Right, to be clear, in the Marshals forum we do not take apart and analyse or criticise the conduct of individual marshals.

Well how are we supposed to learn anything*?

* - Yes, yes, but the input of other marshals is often a valuable source of additional knowledge. It's how we do most of our learning.

[Guinness2702]

Originally Posted by Flavio Galtieri

Vehicles do not usually overturn simply because they unexpectedly encounter slippery surfaces, they usually overturn due to incorrect control inputs or as a result of hitting something.

No, vehicles overturn because....or rather when the rotational forces exceed the weight. In this case, the friction in the tyres and the momentum of the mass above the centre of gravity was quite sufficient.

[Piglet]

Originally Posted by Guinness2702

Well how are we supposed to learn anything*?

* - Yes, yes, but the input of other marshals is often a valuable source of additional knowledge. It's how we do most of our learning.

You discuss general concepts as always.