grading scheme documents and PRC continuation pages

[Chris Hobson]

The documentation on the MSA website has been brought up to date to reflect the 2012 grading scheme changes.

If you go to msauk.org, select "Officials" then select "Download Marshals forms" you should get to this URL http://www.msauk.org/site/cms/conten...sp?article=758 where you will find them.

Any queries, as usual please e-mail me at the address below

[DavidBritainUK]

Cheers Chris,

Thanks for taking the time to sort these out.

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by Chris Hobson

The documentation on the MSA website has been brought up to date to reflect the 2012 grading scheme changes.

If you go to msauk.org, select "Officials" then select "Download Marshals forms" you should get to this URL http://www.msauk.org/site/cms/conten...sp?article=758 where you will find them.

Any queries, as usual please e-mail me at the address below

I have to say I really like the new grading system, for the first time in a few years I feel like I know what I need to do! Lol! Its simple, well structured, you have to vary your duties as a trainee which is a great idea to get well rounded marshals but can then specialise later on which is great now ive gone down the flag route, and you cant rush through the grades like before, oh and the new prc cards are very good indeed! Well laid out and have all the info about what signatures you need in the relevent places. Big well done to all involved!

[FRENCHIE44T]

Maybe a sugestion for next year if it has not already been mentioned, to have a section in the marhals record card for marshals NOT upgraing and just wanting to obtain signitures to keep their grade

[Dave Brand]

Originally Posted by FRENCHIE44T

Maybe a sugestion for next year if it has not already been mentioned, to have a section in the marhals record card for marshals NOT upgraing and just wanting to obtain signitures to keep their grade

Or maybe you could just use the continuation sheet mentoned in the thread title?

[Justin Moran]

Originally Posted by Dave Brand

Or maybe you could just use the continuation sheet mentoned in the thread title?

Thats all well as maybe Dave but the new PRC's dont provision for those just maintaining their grade only those upgrading. The old white book would be a better option or as you say just use the continuation sheet for signatures, but loose sheets are a p.i.t.a at best, the old white PRC is neater and better for comments too. There must be a stack of those left?

[Dave Brand]

Originally Posted by Justin Moran

Thats all well as maybe Dave but the new PRC's dont provision for those just maintaining their grade only those upgrading. The old white book would be a better option or as you say just use the continuation sheet for signatures, but loose sheets are a p.i.t.a at best, the old white PRC is neater and better for comments too. There must be a stack of those left?

Fair comment; the MSA may well have a stash of the old books. . .

[flagwaver]

If you just want to maintain your grade, then use the the attendance part of the new book, as if you were going for an upgrade. You never know you might change your mind.

[Shelagh]

At the Oulton Training Day, Chris mentioned that you need 4 signatures to retain your grade, but highly unlikely to be monitored.

Just as well for me! Last year was the first in over 20 that I didn't volunteer for any meetings at all and never actually did any flagging, despite doing other duties earlier in the year when I felt up to it. But I've still got flag grade from the MSA (and quite right too, I think).

Now - should I be applying for a specialist grade?

[Shelagh]

And, of course, Specialist Grade could only be PieLady

[FRENCHIE44T]

Originally Posted by Dave Brand

Or maybe you could just use the continuation sheet mentoned in the thread title?

Why should I use a continuation sheet when everyone else had got a proper grading scheme booklet?

[FRENCHIE44T]

Originally Posted by flagwaver

If you just want to maintain your grade, then use the the attendance part of the new book, as if you were going for an upgrade. You never know you might change your mind.

I am an Experienced Track Grade and dont want to upgrade. I am happy as things are thank you very much.

[Steven Humphrey]

Originally Posted by FRENCHIE44T

I am an Experienced Track Grade and dont want to upgrade. I am happy as things are thank you very much.

Just use the new PRC for attendance sigs, on the 'experienced track to post chief' pages - there's no commitment to actually upgrade further if you don't want to. As long as you get 4 sigs a year, you'll stay at your current grade.

[Steven Humphrey]

Originally Posted by Steven Humphrey

Just use the new PRC for attendance sigs, on the 'experienced track to post chief' pages -.

Just noticed these pages have 'post chief' printed in the 'role' column. Tippex?

[Chris Hobson]

YES unless you intend to upgrade at any point in the future

[deley]

Originally Posted by Chris Hobson

YES unless you intend to upgrade at any point in the future

although using the attendance spaces in the "experienced track to post chief" (and replacing the "Post Chief" in the role column) as a means of recording an Experienced marshal's attendance has no bearing on an upgrade now or at any point in the future anyway as far as I can see ...... if the Exp marshal wanted to begin to upgrade to PC at some point and they had used up the attendance spaces in the manner suggested then just get another book (or use the continuation sheets ) - any sigs the Exp marshal gained for attendance as an Exp marshal (rather than acting as a PC) wouldn't count for a PC upgrade anyway.

I am sure as the season progresses we will see a plethora of different approaches being used by people to record attendances in the various parts of the new PRC, on continuation sheets, the previous version PRC, etc etc

just my view

Dave

[Slipstick]

Good point, so unless they would find it terribly demeaning, they could use the previous page intended for those upgrading TO experienced. After that's sort of what they're doing, collecting sigs in order to end up at Experienced grade . And there are even spaces for the appropriate training sigs needed every couple of years.

Still as a trainee at least I'm clear what I need to get for my upgrade. Though if we're being pedantic I notice it says I need a mix of incident and flag with at least 2 flag....so presumably 1 incident and 14 flag would be o.k. .

And no I'm not planning to test that reading of the rules .

Steve

[Steve Fox]

This is most likely a daft question but the MSA requirement re: training days says that only one set of signatures can be obtained during one year, I know that I can only count one set of signatures but if I attend more than one training day (at different venues) can I collect (although, obviously not use), a second set of signatures? The purpose would simply as a record of attendance and not as any upgrade path. Or would it be better not to seek a signature or is there a better place in my PRC for this "surplus" signature?

[Chris Hobson]

I would suggest using one of the spare attendance lines in the book.

When we reprint we will try to allow for extra training day sigs as well as for people maintaining grades.

As always, you only find the obvious errors when you put something live!

[robbie_crewe]

Well I think the new PRC and the advice to use continuation sheets is very clear and well thought out, I was impressed when it arrived. I really don't know what all the fuss is about!

[Steve Fox]

Originally Posted by Chris Hobson

I would suggest using one of the spare attendance lines in the book.

Thanks for that Chris, Will do.