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14 Jun 2002, 20:20 (Ref:313868)
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Some people say that in life you make your own luck , well i disagree , as Herbert in a good example of that . Ok , in his career he has made mistakes like anyone else F1 , but the vast majority of his career has been tainted by poor luck . His ability is massive . But now he has moved on from F1 , he looks like he's finally getting his hands on some decent machinery to race with . And from that he will make posts like JR EWING has made earlier look rather naive |
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14 Jun 2002, 20:27 (Ref:313871)
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14 Jun 2002, 20:35 (Ref:313880)
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Im basically talking about the main part of his career since F3000 .
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MOTOR RACING ...The general idea is that the driver behind uses all his Skills, Tricks and Courage to try and overtake the guy ( or Girl ) in front !
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15 Jun 2002, 07:29 (Ref:314199)
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Herbert
I think Herbert is a very good driver and his unfortunate or should I say untimely accident in F3000 cost him some valuable time in F1.
Unfortunately when he went to Benetton he was Schumacher's slave and was at a distinct disadvantage from his very first test.Herbert had stated that he was too quick in his first tests with the team and his testing was dramatically reduced.If he had the same amount of testing as Schumacher, then an idiot can see that the results within the team would/could have been very different.If you don't test, you don't improve your speed,it is very simple.No driver can flourish in a team where Schumacher is because,in my opinion,the single most important factor determining a drivers potential is testing.A driver must test,otherwise he will remain at a level consistently lower than his teammate,which is what Schumacher truly wants.Irvine had the same problem at Ferrari,it is a pathetic pattern with Schumacher. Herbert has had some gifted wins in his F1 career,but tell me that Schumacher's win at Austria this year wasn't a gift.That's racing. Tye |
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15 Jun 2002, 07:38 (Ref:314202)
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I always thought he wasnt too quick, but he showed himself in the Stewart in 1999 with his win at Nurburgring
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15 Jun 2002, 09:40 (Ref:314244)
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Johnny was quick at nurburgring 99?!!!Think before you speak please!
Tye ,when a driver has had enough testing they're not going to get any quicker.You'd have to say that after half a dozen races he would know the car,no risk.Johnny was NEVER the equal of shumacher |
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15 Jun 2002, 10:00 (Ref:314256)
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the person we ought to ask about wether Johnny is/was quick is Frank Williams, a man who knows more about motor racing than the rest of us put together!
the reason i say Sir Frank is because, he was at Brands on the day of Johnny's accident with a contract to join Williams, ready for Johnny to sign! was Johnny quick? ask Frank! |
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That's so frickin uncool man!
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15 Jun 2002, 16:15 (Ref:314444)
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Frank Williams knows his stuff . Johnny is still very quick IMO , but still gets frowned upon by many people , who for some reason dont think he is very good .
I don't understand why ? |
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15 Jun 2002, 20:19 (Ref:314551)
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When Herbert tested the Benetton for the first few times he was very close to Schumacher and he didn't like it. Autosport Sept 7 95 Herbert: "My problem was going too quickly the first time I tested.That worried Michael and I was never given a fair crack of the whip.I've never been able to show my full potential because everything has been geared around him winning. I always knew it was going to be difficult,but I never expected it to be such an uphill struggle.Often,when we were down for two days testing each,Michael would find a problem with the car which he said he needed to work on.He would do three and a half days and I would do half a day when the car was worn out. He was happy enough to choose me as his partner,but when he realized I could drive quickly,our friendship changed.He saw me as a threat and he didn't like it. We have totally different driving styles,but it has never been possible to make changes to the car I need. I've also had to stay out on ruined tyres waiting for Michael to make his stops.I know I'm quick and I haven't lost it.Fortunately,the people who matter know what I'm capable of." A source has revealed that in Belgium,Herbert's race chances were hampered by a first set of tyres that were too highly pressured,a broken radio mike which meant he couldn't let the team know when he was coming in,the rear tyres being mounted on the wrong side at his second stop and a refuelling problem which meant that he finished the race with 45 litres in the tank as opposed to Schumacher's 12. Needless to say Herbert is chasing drives at Jordan and Sauber for 1996. Well RWC, you can't say that Herbert wouldn't have been closer to Schumacher if he'd been allowed and granted his "proper" testing time,that is "the only" way a driver improves his lot.Under the circumstances above it is "no wonder" that Schumacher was consistently the faster of the two. Tye |
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15 Jun 2002, 21:00 (Ref:314573)
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great post . its about time someone said it like it is . Herbert had to race with one hand tied behind his back . It is the truth , its about time people excepted it . |
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17 Jun 2002, 09:53 (Ref:315299)
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Johnny was one helluva driver...
Damon Hill was the 1996 champion. He has probably more natural ability than Damon... but Damon was in a Williams. Remember also the Benetton B195 was worse than the Williams FW17, and on top of that it was a Schumacher suited car... |
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