[Tech Issue] Red Bull flexible nose

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by Marbot

They haven't been cheating this year, AFAIK.

agreed. unfortunately my friends are through and through tifosi so i guess no convincing them otherwise.

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

agreed. unfortunately my friends are through and through tifosi so i guess no convincing them otherwise.

You'll never convince a 'Flat-Earther' that this planet is spherical.

Possibly the rule change has been put in place just to stop unnecessary spending on wings that flex. Maybe everyone now knows how Red Bull do it, but it costs a small fortune to put it into practice.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

but surely whatever the test is someone would still find a way to be clever...and on and on it goes.

discussing this with some friends who only casually follow, they are of the impression that the testing requirements are being changed so they can stop RB from cheating next year...imo from what i have read it just seems like they are doing better at living within the current rules and the change is more a clarification but they naturally respond with 'why do they need to change the test rules then?'

i struggle to respond to that question without sounding the apologist.

I guess the answer to this question is.

We don't want a wing to do x.

How do we know the wing is not doing x, given that we know wings will always do x?

We have a test that will tell if the wing is doing x or not.

The wing passes the test. The wing is officially not doing x.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by Marbot

Whichever one it is, the guys coming up with these tests are supposed to be engineers. They should know that things flex in more than one just one direction.

You would hope ....

[luke g28]

Originally Posted by Marbot

You'll never convince a 'Flat-Earther' that this planet is spherical.

You could put them in a plane and fly all the way around.

[Bononi]

Originally Posted by luke g28

You could put them in a plane and fly all the way around.

Still they wouldn't believe.

[luke g28]

Originally Posted by Bononi

Still they wouldn't believe.

Offer them a huge reward for finding the edge

[sizzle]

Originally Posted by luke g28

Offer them a huge reward for finding the edge

Now that idea I like, I know a few people I wish would find the edge

[phoenix]

Originally Posted by wnut

Couple of wires and a trace heating element! Job done!

Why do you think their alternators keep failing and others don't?

Regardless - it's not cheating. The cars meet the rules because they past all the tests applied at scrutineering...

[shiny side up!]

I watched the Red Bull wing flex test this weekend, it is clear from the test procedure that the 'flex' is measured as a displacement from the center of the wing to the outboard ends of the wing. If the center of the wing moves downward along with the rest of the wing (or by a lesser amount but still keeping the relationship to the wing tips in spec), the wing passes.

That said, one of the scrutineers had occasion to grab the nose of Vettel's car after the race as it was shuttled around in Parc Ferme, and they didn't feel that it was flexy, for whatever that's worth.

[TrueBlueFlyer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTg13lrYX5E

same front end as a Lexus

[wnut]

Originally Posted by TrueBlueFlyer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTg13lrYX5E

same front end as a Lexus

Interesting segment on Newey, and nice picture of Lexus!