And now, what with them??? - Page 2

**Aysedasi** · 3 Feb 2013, 15:30 (Ref:3198616)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

But a team can buy their way into Champions League. Chelsea and Man City did.

No sense singling out a couple of teams, they've all done it - or do you think that the entire Man Utd squad is home-grown........?

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Originally Posted by p-matt

He is the reserve driver, but if he's called up I can see it doing his reputation more harm than good as he'll have had zero experience of the new car.

I really don't understand why they don't have three 1 hour practice sessions on the Friday and mandate that only reserve drivers take part in the first session. It's the only way reserve drivers aren't going to disgrace themselves if they get a call up

Sounds a decent suggestion to me......

On the subject of BE, does anyone have any real idea of how much he screws F1 for?

Marbot · 3 Feb 2013, 16:45 (Ref:3198637)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

On the subject of BE, does anyone have any real idea of how much he screws F1 for?

It's CVC that does the screwing. BE is merely their representative. Does BE get paid? You bet he does!

When BE is gone, there will be someone put in his place who will ask the venues to pay more, so that CVC can actually start making money on their investment.

With regard to Rookie testing: Why would anyone want to risk having to rebuild their cars for the second session after a 'rookie' mistake in the first one? Do it in the second session and then the mechanics have more time to rebuild the car for Saturday's one hour session. Then the regular driver can have good reason to complain about why his car is handling so differently from when he last drove it.

I suppose that F1 just needs to have more rookie tests in isolation of the GP events?

littleman · 3 Feb 2013, 16:52 (Ref:3198639)

Enough to pay a German banker a $44 million bribe without even flinching!Charging Silverstone £17m per annum for a GP (and that's cheap).

There is absolutely no good reason why any F1 team should need to recruit pay drivers.The money is there.......its just got stuck in a few grubby hands.

Marbot · 3 Feb 2013, 17:03 (Ref:3198642)

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Originally Posted by littleman

There is absolutely no good reason why any F1 team should need to recruit pay drivers.The money is there.......its just got stuck in a few grubby hands.

I wholeheartedly agree that FOM should pay the lower ranking teams more money. But we should also be wary of teams that are in F1 just for the money. We don't want another HRT turning up because the hand-outs will make all of the teams management, instant millionaires.

NaBUru38 · 4 Feb 2013, 03:51 (Ref:3198901)

What if teams have to finish at most 2 laps down to collect money?

NaBUru38 · 4 Feb 2013, 03:52 (Ref:3198902)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

No sense singling out a couple of teams, they've all done it - or do you think that the entire Man Utd squad is home-grown........?

Man Utd was always in the top. Chelsea got promoted in 1992, Man City in 2002.

**Aysedasi** · 4 Feb 2013, 08:09 (Ref:3198960)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Man Utd was always in the top. Chelsea got promoted in 1992, Man City in 2002.

Depends how far back you go in history. Don't let's get the idea that MU have somehow achieved what they have without throwing money at it - and lots of it!

nicanary · 4 Feb 2013, 11:01 (Ref:3199010)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Depends how far back you go in history. Don't let's get the idea that MU have somehow achieved what they have without throwing money at it - and lots of it!

We're going a bit OT here - but I'm old enough to remember when MU were considered THE cheque-book club. They seemed to buy players when they were available just to stop other clubs having them. (And they were in Div 2 back in the 70s

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Greem · 4 Feb 2013, 12:37 (Ref:3199034)

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Originally Posted by nicanary

We're going a bit OT here - but I'm old enough to remember when MU were considered THE cheque-book club. They seemed to buy players when they were available just to stop other clubs having them. (And they were in Div 2 back in the 70s

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To drag the thread back towards topic, Man U are the McLaren of English footy (in my opinion, at least). Yes, they can make big-name high-cost signings, but they have a massively well-established scouting and academy programme and regularly provide other teams with young players to get "real world" experience of playing as a professional.

Just like motorsport, not many of them reach the top flight - but when they do, they don't half make an impact. Remember Alan "You'll never win anything with kids" Hansen's comments when Beckham and co arrived in the first team? How he must cringe hearing that now...

Anyway - McLaren have a similar system, eyeballing and supporting young drivers; with the exception of Lewis (who it seems got a far bigger slice of the pie than most of the others) relatively few of them get to the top in any series, let alone F1. But if you can find that one diamond, the one that makes the grade... Hamilton, Franchitti, Coulthard, Paffet. Not a bad selection, is it?

Knowlesy · 4 Feb 2013, 12:54 (Ref:3199045)

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Originally Posted by nicanary

We're going a bit OT here - but I'm old enough to remember when MU were considered THE cheque-book club. They seemed to buy players when they were available just to stop other clubs having them. (And they were in Div 2 back in the 70s

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They were basically Liverpool now. Hoovering up mediocrity at inflated prices and struggling as a consequence.

I don't get upset at clubs buying players if they have generated the cash. One of the greatest managers of all, Brian Clough, regularly wielded the chequebook. Sometimes without asking the board...

Err, anyways, back on topic!

chillibowl · 4 Feb 2013, 20:57 (Ref:3199257)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

But we should also be wary of teams that are in F1 just for the money. We don't want another HRT turning up because the hand-outs will make all of the teams management, instant millionaires.

playing devils advocate a bit, but is that a real concern these days? from what i have read HRT ended with a pretty significant debt and i doubt the original owners/investors are any richer because of their involvement in F1.

sure it should be discouraged but as long as F1 makes money im not sure how you would ever prevent it entirely ?

but speaking of discouraging that type of behaviour, instituting a budget cap that includes both a maximum and minimum spending limit is common practice in most sports that use salary caps.

werner · 7 Feb 2013, 11:29 (Ref:3200633)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

What if teams have to finish at most 2 laps down to collect money?

To be honest, it makes sense that HRT is bankrupt, and Marussia has to divert to drivers that bring a lot of cash, since the 10 best teams in the championship will get a share of the TV-money, and the others, Marussia and HRT, don't.
Some sort of performancemeasure to get money, ie being among the 10 best teams, is already in place.

**Bononi** · 7 Feb 2013, 12:14 (Ref:3200672)

Well, Bruno Senna goes to... http://translate.google.com.br/trans...993431%2C0.htm

Mekola · 7 Feb 2013, 15:38 (Ref:3200773)

Now I have no driver to support in F1...

Marbot · 7 Feb 2013, 18:32 (Ref:3200831)

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Originally Posted by chillibowl

but speaking of discouraging that type of behaviour, instituting a budget cap that includes both a maximum and minimum spending limit is common practice in most sports that use salary caps.

Agreed. F1 needs a budget cap.

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Originally Posted by Mekola

Now I have no driver to support in F1...

Congratulations! Now you've become a 'real' F1 supporter.

jedrinck · 7 Feb 2013, 19:06 (Ref:3200845)

Bruno Senna is off the 2013 season of Formula 1 . The 29 year-old, who won the championship last year by Williams ,...

I must have missed that! Well, if he is WDC it makes sense that he is looking for a new challenge now.