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20 May 2013, 01:21 (Ref:3250194) | #1 | ||
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Stop the Stop Stuff Ups...
Interesting to watch the V8s in Austin this morning & last, and again we see the lads and ladettes at FPR stuff up yet another tyre stop
Mr Larkham had a couple of stats that were good fun to see, that of the top 10 pitstop times of the Austin weekend (before the last race), the top 8 stops of the weekend were shared, 4 each, with Nismo and RBR. The #7-ites seemed to spend more than usual time in the pits this weekend, which highlighted many things... That some teams have their junk together, and could change wheels in an almost seamless motion, helped of course that there were 3 guys a side when 2 tyres were changed. But surely this is the cheapest place to find lap speed. Any team can run their homologated air tools, practice in their sheds week on week, and get the best benefit they can for their teams. You could see the difference between the RBR stop, and a BJR one.. the RBR one was not hurried, in/out, into the lane, dont hit anyone... the BJR one less positive, less focused. Quick but not quickest. Its not all a question of better budgets, or better people... anyone can do this... surely.. |
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20 May 2013, 02:01 (Ref:3250210) | #2 | |
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Ever tried it yourself ?
Perhaps offer up your services and see how you go....perhaps put an application into BJR I'm sure he will be welcoming to you. |
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20 May 2013, 02:34 (Ref:3250213) | #3 | |
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GTR's point is spot on.
The pit crew are the weekday mechanics for all the top teams. Seems some V8SC teams may put more effort into their routine (biomech efficiency). NASCAR have the money to have dedicated pit crews (for the top teams). The top tire changers (since we are talking NASCAR) and gasmen actually earn top money, and will get poached by other teams. They also have pit crew consultants, who basically choreograph every movement. Many of the specialised over the wall crew come from athletic backgrounds. If a car comes in damaged, the regular tire guy will often be replaced by a car prep guy for that stop (limits on over the wall personnel). It's not a cheap place to find time, as like the rest of the package, time and research and considerable practice are required, but if your competition are doing it and winning, then you'd better be doing it as well. |
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20 May 2013, 03:23 (Ref:3250232) | #4 | ||
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Not "Stop the Stop Stuff Ups", but "Stop the Stops!"
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Fpr you suck at pitstops.
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20 May 2013, 08:47 (Ref:3250360) | #6 | ||
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FAS33 - Ever tried to lug a 20kg awkwardly weighted wheel and tyre in one hand and a gun in the other?? When you are changing tyres as quickly as the slowest Supercar mechanic, then and only then you may say they suck. And then I hope you apply to join the team.
I cant help but fathom it is a component issue with FPR. At Adelaide, it was a Left, Austin it was a Right. Or is it a driving style Frosty has taken on with the new car? 2 blown tyres, outside wheel nuts - is he rubbing people/walls in bad places? Do FPR / DJR share this component? |
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Wasn't there a heat soak/metal expansion issue at Adelaide?
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As far as FPR making errors in pit stops, i don;t think its a case of someone on this forum doing a better job. I would think it is more about FPR addressing a competitive disadvantage which is continuing to rear its ugly head, causing endless frustration for its drivers and team. |
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I think this is a case like any job, if it is what you are paid to do and the only thing you have to do, then there should be no excuse. If the fpr guys had desk jobs by day and only did pit work on the weekend then you could forgive stuff ups.
This is an issue of focus and practice. Particularly annoying for the driver who has used his skill to get to the front, only to lose it through no fault of his own. Clearly others have their act together....pity but that's racing. |
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20 May 2013, 22:31 (Ref:3250817) | #12 | ||
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Taken from another thread....
Considering that all cars have: 1. the same rims 3. the same nuts 3. the same spindles then the only variable is "organic" Clearly it is operator error. I tried to slow down the coverage (taped the event) to see if i could see where it went wrong. I was hoping to see the wheel guy starting to tighten the nut before the wheel was hard up against the axle assembly but I couldn't pick it. OR is the rattle gun at an angle to the wheel, therefore "cocking" the nut at an angle as the wheel-man hits the trigger on the gun. Is this a result of the wheel-man using the gun to assist in the "pick up and place the wheel" motion Dear Mr FPR: get your wheel man lower to the ground, maybe on his knees, so he can locate the rattle gun to the nut evenly and then the wheel will be directly on the axle and spindle THEN commence tightening the wheel. OR just watch the channel 7 coverage to see how T8 do it... very slick NASCAR is a different story too. I remember seeing a TV show on Sports Science that detailed the effort and bio mechanical movement required. It went on to go into a NASCAR team where the Wheel-Men were not chosen for their mechanical ability (i don't think they had any IIRC) but they selected on their physical attributes. In other words, they used trained athletes rather than mechanics. Considering the $$ in NASCAR it makes financially viable. |
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They all have wheels from the same manufacturer, yes, but I can't remember if it was the nuts or spindles Larko was talking about - he said there was a control design; but implied that the component could be manufactured individually - to that design. Could it be that FPR make their own from a slightly different alloy to others? Seems to have happened too much and needs resolving. |
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is this a place that FPR have looked for some weight saving due to their car having to be heavier?
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Its not that specific part that is the problem, they've had problems for years, of all different varieties. It just happens time and time again. Someone on this forum coined the term F***** Pitstops Regularly, and it still holds its weight years after! |
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Following the logic you guys use, I suppose you never criticize movies unless you are successful directors, music unless you are successful musicians, food unless you are a world class chef, and so on? More on topic... I can't help but sort of chuckle now when they have a problem, it's just become too frequent that it has sort of become one of those "if you don't laugh, you have to cry" things. I feel bad for Winterbottom in particular, it has to be incredibly frustrating for him. At least BJR has risen up to battle at the front and sort of take their place from last year as one of the top two teams, otherwise it would make for really boring racing. |
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Apprently FPR cut a few miles at Winton yesterday...
From Adcafe According to the team’s engineering manager Matthew Nilsson, improving the team’s pitstops was an area of heavy focus during the test. “It was a very good day and each car has worked through its program and I am happy we have been able to tick off a lot of items,” he said. “We worked on a range of areas including car speed, durability and pit stops. Thank God for that! Maybe they'll look less like the Three Stooges in Darwin..... |
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History says otherwise (they've done this testing many times before over the years)
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why do you need to do testing for pitstops at a test day? Can't you do that back at the factory?
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So you can get everything hot and sticky in a realistic environment.
Practicing with cold everything in your comfortable workspace will only get you so far, and that has been their problem. |
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They should practice the pitstop changes by having tazers hooked up to the pit crew, so if they do not complete the stop in xyz amount of time they get tazered.....
What could possibly go wrong?? |
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