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[Rutle]

So it's turned into just another Ralf v Juan v Michael thread huh!!

[Valve Bounce]

I think it goes beyond that. The very fact that the two drivers are so divrse in characteristics makes them an ideal team.

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[DavidStHubbins]

blah blah blah blah! MY daddys bigger than your daddy!

[freud]

Originally posted by Valve Bounce
As I said before, Ralf is saving his engine.

[senna12]

Ralf has said, on more than one occasion, that he would prefer to wait, rather than overtake, and have any risk of damage, or an off......which makes him a smart driver, but certainly not a racer.
This is not neccessarily a bad thing, as it produces reasonable results, but tooling along, relying on the misfortune of others 99 percent of the time is not likely to win you any championships in F1, (CART maybe...), nor leave the type of legacy you would want to. Without that little extra something, he'll never be considered in the upper echelon.

[Wrex]

Originally posted by neilap
Racing is about passing.

Actually racing is about winning. I'm sure thats what Michael and Juan would tell you.

Originally posted by senna12
Much more fun to watch JV, Takuma, Juan, Salo, and even MS have a go for 70 laps....better yet, on a wet/greasy track.

Absolutly senna12. However, Ralf and the others are'nt paid (regretably) to entertain us, they are paid to finish the car as high in the championship as possible. And regardless of what we like and dont like, Ralf is doing that better than Juan, so far this season. Who do I like to watch, Monty of course.

Originally posted by Valve Bounce
Ralf qualifies high up the order, so that the chances for overtaking are not that great. He patiently waits for others to foul up, which they do, then he just finishes high up in the points.

And when the only guy in front of you in the championship is a 4 times WDC in a car much faster than yours, Frank must be pretty happy.

Originally posted by R
Well, that may be true, but his brother has 13 passes, and he usually qualifies higher than Ralf. And in Canada, Ralf needed to overtake to finish in the points, and couldn't do it. I betcha his brother or Montoya would have been able to.

R, 10 of Michaels 13 passes were at Sepang, 2 at Oz (:confused) and 1 at Nurburg. Of JMP, 15 passes, 7 at Sepang, 4 at Brazil and 2 at Canada (on a 2 stop strategy), so 13 of the 15 were of his own creation.

As for Canada, your probably right though, Michael and Juan would have pushed alot harder.

[Valve Bounce]

Let's not forget: F1 is not about chucking the car into teh Mulga.
Hasving said all this, I would be infinitely haooier with watching F1 if Jacques was driving for Williams instead of Ralf - with that combination, there would never be a dull moment.

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[R]

Jacques in a Williams... *sigh*

OK, Wrex, a lot of those passes were down to TGF and JPM ending up way down the order, and having to claw their way back up. But as that same thing happened to Ralf in Canada, and he couldn't do it - and Montreal is a good track for the Williams, like Ralf proved last year and Montoya this year - a top driver in a top car really should have been able to get through. So to a certain degree it's comparable, and the statistics together with what we've seen show that Ralf is not the best overtaker out there.

[Wrex]

Hmm. While I don't disagree that Ralf's not a passer, In Canada the car he was trying to pass was the McLaren of Kimi, not exactly easy. Lets not forget that on the comeback in Brazil (another good track for Williams), Monty could'nt pass the Renault of Button either. I mean, if he could put a move on Michael, why not Jenson?

[Mania]

Good point Wrex.

I dont care how many people Ralf passes or doesent pass as long as he wins races and the championship.

People who have reputations of being great over-takers havent neccesarily become champions either...look at Alesi for example.

Similarly, Prost and Hill werent renowed for their overtaking skills either yet both won the title.

Ralf has said he will overtake anybody if their is an opportunity but he wont do something silly - that is fair enough.

At the end of the day, as long as he wins races....thats all that matters and over-taking stats dont mean a thing.

Just ask Jos Verstappen and Arrows.

[Valve Bounce]

Can't dispute that.

[J.McClane]

Originally posted by Mania

I dont care how many people Ralf passes or doesent pass as long as he wins races and the championship.

Ralf has said he will overtake anybody if their is an opportunity but he wont do something silly - that is fair enough.

At the end of the day, as long as he wins races....thats all that matters and over-taking stats dont mean a thing.

But he WON'T win races or indeed the title cos the idea is to get more points that the other man, and in order to do that you need to get infront of the other man, by overtakin' or you clould just stay behind him and hope he makes a mistake. But the overtakin' thing is a much better option.

And as for the Ralf will overtake if there is an opportunitiy.............well he has had many an oppotunity, but still he stays back, especialy when catchin' his big bruv.

He never will be champ, unless every other car on the track drops out

I know Mr Williams likes to see his drivers actually do thier job and race, so hopefully Frank is makin' note of what Ralf is doin', or not doin' and will get someone worthy of the Williams seat in there instead. I mean Williams won't win anythin' by employin' a driver that is more than happy with 2nd place.

[senna12]

Ralf will gladly accept a win, but he will not go out and take it away.