Brand Rivalry Over??

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by rik

Won't be much ford v holden rivalry next year if Ford don't renew their contracts with FPR!

I hope they do, but I suspect FPR will transform to another brand of car!

Doesnt mean DJR couldnt run as a lone Ford in a sea of Holdens & Imports... it happened once or twice before...

[rik]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Doesnt mean DJR couldnt run as a lone Ford in a sea of Holdens & Imports... it happened once or twice before...

They could, but without FPR engineering help and a real budget they're gonna be back markers at best, which isn't going to be much interest to anyone.

[Umai Naa]

Chassis engineering would carry over, if a further deal to affiliate was struck. They already have their own separate engine program.

Only other aspect is aero. Should the need arise, where DJR would need to homologate a new Ford body, would Ford Australia bare the costs?

[Icarus_nz]

Being able to open the bonnet and see a particular manufactures engine nestled there comes at a (LARGE) price.
Obviously you Western Islanders have a large population and bigger economy so maybe you can afford that distinction.
Does it make the racing better?

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Icarus_nz

Being able to open the bonnet and see a particular manufactures engine nestled there comes at a (LARGE) price.
Obviously you Western Islanders have a large population and bigger economy so maybe you can afford that distinction.
Does it make the racing better?

It makes the cars dissimilar in engine performance because they are different under the bonnet

This also pleases the marketers immensely, having their engine under the bonnet

Would a Nissan Altima's performance still be as lauded or as popular at Nissan HQ if it still had a KR Chev under the bonnet??

[Icarus_nz]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

It makes the cars dissimilar in engine performance because they are different under the bonnet

This also pleases the marketers immensely, having their engine under the bonnet

Would a Nissan Altima's performance still be as lauded or as popular at Nissan HQ if it still had a KR Chev under the bonnet??

Largely agree but mostly ignoring the main point of my post.

You cut your cloth accordingly. Spec engine in the kiwi car controls cost.
The total NZ season (7 rounds) costs about the same as a single SC round.

In a country where money is tight and manufacturers have little interest it is the only way.
SC is a far bigger pony. But isn't plain sailing financially.
The bloke on the bank doesn't care and often doesn't know. Nor care to know.

The nasty man from Jaguar (see Adcafe) recognises that the cost/return ratio is wrong for their brand.
The history of Motorsport is littered with categories that tied their aspirations to manufacturers. Brand dealerships have passion, manufacturers have business strategies

[FAS33]

Originally Posted by one five five

There most certainly was rivalry between Nissan and the rest, most of it being off the track.

The same has always gone for Ford vs Holden as well.

You have made it quite clear your dislike for Group A (despite the fact that at the same time you admit you were not around for it), i'm not sure what your trying to prove with this post

Just cause I said it was boring doesn't mean I hated it, I found some V8 Supercar and F1 races this year pretty average, doesn't mean I hate it.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Icarus_nz

Largely agree but mostly ignoring the main point of my post.

You cut your cloth accordingly. Spec engine in the kiwi car controls cost.
The total NZ season (7 rounds) costs about the same as a single SC round.

In a country where money is tight and manufacturers have little interest it is the only way.
SC is a far bigger pony. But isn't plain sailing financially.
The bloke on the bank doesn't care and often doesn't know. Nor care to know.

The nasty man from Jaguar (see Adcafe) recognises that the cost/return ratio is wrong for their brand.
The history of Motorsport is littered with categories that tied their aspirations to manufacturers. Brand dealerships have passion, manufacturers have business strategies

The nasty man from Jaguar needs to change his vocation if he thinks amazingly positive comments like that are going to sell him even one more Jaguar.

Money is amazingly tight in this country. We are in the grips of a recession-like event (although nobody wants to say it) with the big corporates dumping staff as easily as the cleaner empties the bins every night..

And yet, of the companies that are struggling, the motor industry at a retail level, doesnt seem to be one of them. A multi franchise dealer here will do rather nicely, being able to sell a range of product and not relying on the staple home grown Ford/Holden/Toyota.. Distributors are largely doing rather well as well.

If these guys are making money, and the corporates are unwilling or unable to invest the sums involved to keep the dream alive, its a natural fit for teams to go a'chasing manufacturers.

The series has a large infrastructure, with at least 10 people per REC (and likely many more in some) employed in the construction, preparation & tuning of racing car equipment. There arent many series' in the southern hemisphere than can boast an industry of this size...

[formerf1champ]

Originally Posted by Icarus_nz

You cut your cloth accordingly. Spec engine in the kiwi car controls cost.
The total NZ season (7 rounds) costs about the same as a single SC round.

That is beyond embarrassing to v8sc, if the stat is true.

Originally Posted by Icarus_nz

The bloke on the bank doesn't care and often doesn't know. Nor care to know.

I'm not sure if this is totally accurate. Manufacturer/dealer support, cars that can be considered their own somewhat, does add to the relevance or legitimacy to a series. But I'm not sure if a large portion of spectators care if it's a 7 litre motor, 5, or even four, once it's known it's big enough.

Originally Posted by Icarus_nz

Brand dealerships have passion, manufacturers have business strategies

Yeah, I like the idea of there being dealer teams instead on manufacturer support. But I'm not sure it's something you can regulate.

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

The nasty man from Jaguar needs to change his vocation if he thinks amazingly positive comments like that are going to sell him even one more Jaguar.

Do almost all people even care he said what he said? Is it really going to put someone off buying a Jag?