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Old 3 Mar 2014, 07:55 (Ref:3374260)   #1
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COTF Door Hinges

Hopefully after the Courtney & Davison incidents V8Supercars will very closely look into the door hinge failures at the weekend.

The door off Davo's car was heading for the Marshals post on the exit of Turn 8 as it disappeared from view and I can only assume the catch fence stopped it's progress but something the size of a door can do serious damage to a marshal or spectator.

The doors are designed to lift off easily in an emergency or extrication situation but they came off a little too easily.
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Hopefully after the Courtney & Davison incidents V8Supercars will very closely look into the door hinge failures at the weekend.

The door off Davo's car was heading for the Marshals post on the exit of Turn 8 as it disappeared from view and I can only assume the catch fence stopped it's progress but something the size of a door can do serious damage to a marshal or spectator.

The doors are designed to lift off easily in an emergency or extrication situation but they came off a little too easily.
agree fully. Surely there needs to be some sort of tethering system that stops them flying on, both cases the passenger door.

Also im not happy with the wheels flying off the Erebus, 2 times in 3 rounds, admittedly with contact this time, We were lucky someone was killed at the isalnd
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Old 3 Mar 2014, 08:50 (Ref:3374283)   #3
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3 of the 4 doors are of composite material.

Wouldnt matter how the hinges are designed, they're coming off in an accident.
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Old 3 Mar 2014, 22:32 (Ref:3374596)   #4
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3 of the 4 doors are of composite material.

Wouldnt matter how the hinges are designed, they're coming off in an accident.
Didn't a driver's door come off an HRT car at Bathurst one year, during the pitstop?

I wouldn't like to lean on a current V8SC door when its open.. I reckon it would bend like alfoil...
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Old 4 Mar 2014, 00:24 (Ref:3374649)   #7
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Just don't, please, DON'T, recommend the NASCAR solution ...
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Old 4 Mar 2014, 07:14 (Ref:3374758)   #8
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Didn't a driver's door come off an HRT car at Bathurst one year, during the pitstop?

I wouldn't like to lean on a current V8SC door when its open.. I reckon it would bend like alfoil...
Yeah, something went wrong in the driver change that caused the door to lift up off the hinges.

Couldve happened to anyone, really.

The solution could be in the implementation of panel tethering straps.
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3 of the 4 doors are of composite material.

Wouldnt matter how the hinges are designed, they're coming off in an accident.
Isn't just the door skin thats plastic or composite

Thought there was a aluminium honeycomb structure inside the door?
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Isn't just the door skin thats plastic or composite

Thought there was a aluminium honeycomb structure inside the door?
Driver's side door skin steel.

Passenger and back door skins Kevlar.
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Drivers side door was reasonably secured after the hinge broke...The hinges may have been damaged but the door seemed to be hanging on the latch pretty tightly during the resulting pit stop, even after Courtney swipped it against the wall to help set it free...
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Old 5 Mar 2014, 21:18 (Ref:3375519)   #12
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Probably a trait of the design philosophy that the road cars have.

Most of the European stuff use mostly plastic door latches anyway so the doors are likely to bust open easier on impact.
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Old 6 Mar 2014, 09:20 (Ref:3375688)   #13
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The road going car's have small plastic clips that stop the hinges from coming apart, and they can only come apart when fully open. The locks are anti burst locks. I would look at how the hinges and lock catches are being fastened to the car's. The A and B pillars don't have the factory inner to bolt to. So only fixed to thin panel steel.
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Driver's side door skin steel.

Passenger and back door skins Kevlar.
Makes no sense not to have passenger door built to similar standard as drivers.

He should have been black flagged
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Old 10 Mar 2014, 07:57 (Ref:3376970)   #15
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Wow - the drivers side rear door is kevlar??

Kevlar is pretty amazing stuff - I've seen how it can stop small arms (rifle, pistol) round penetration. BUT - We've seen Premat's Commodore rocket at JC's and still cause significant personal harm.

I can actually picture a one in a million scenario where similar spinning or winding contact hits the REAR driver's door and pushes all sorts of force towards the back of the drivers seat - possibly a horrific outcome.

Composite panels I don't have a problem with, but to know the doors are weak as piddle worries me...
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Composite panels I don't have a problem with, but to know the doors are weak as piddle worries me...
Which brings back to idea of the driver being in protected cell
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Bugger the drivers what about the spectators and marshals not protected by a Drivers Cell.....
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Bugger the drivers what about the spectators and marshals not protected by a Drivers Cell.....
A proper door would probably sort it
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