[Official] Team of the race: Bahrain Grand Prix

[JamesH]

Originally Posted by TrapezeArtist

Too much effort on changing the rules to suit the Ferrari. Not enough on changing the Ferrari to suit the rules.

Splendid!!! Comment of the day!

[stripedcat]

Originally Posted by TrapezeArtist

Too much effort on changing the rules to suit the Ferrari. Not enough on changing the Ferrari to suit the rules.

Yes - sadly, so true as it seems.

[Greem]

Was torn between Merc and FI, so went with FI. Two drivers who appear to have the fire in their bellies, and clearly a much better car than in previous years. Looks like it's all coming together for them.

[Aysedasi]

Obviously it should be Mercedes, but I'll give it to Force India - great stuff.

[Bononi]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Obviously it should be Mercedes, but I'll give it to Force India - great stuff.

Yeah ! But I'll stick to the lady.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by TrapezeArtist

Too much effort on changing the rules to suit the Ferrari. Not enough on changing the Ferrari to suit the rules.

Mercedes, 2 secs a lap clear, nobody else even pitched at the GP!

[b1ackcr0w]

Merc. 1 & 2 in Quali, 1 & 2 in the race, nearing perfection.

[Born Racer]

Originally Posted by Bononi

I'll stick to the lady.

You've always given me such a different impression.

[Bononi]

Originally Posted by Born Racer

You've always given me such a different impression.

Well, there are ladies and ladies...

[F1Pete]

Here is an explanation why the Mercs are so strong....and will continue to be the team of the races.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuBB2F6IutQ

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by F1Pete

Here is an explanation why the Mercs are so strong....and will continue to be the team of the races.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuBB2F6IutQ

That should also translate into similar advantages for McLaren and Force India and Williams, but it hasn't...? Or has it?
If it has, Mercedes are still making much more out of it than the three customers...

[Aysedasi]

Not a great surprise though for a works team to be better out of the box than customers..... That's really how I'd expect it to be.

[F1Pete]

I was told McLaren, Williams and FI are not running the turbo and compressor front and back like the Mercs. Correct me if I am wrong....it's just the word on the street.

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by F1Pete

I was told McLaren, Williams and FI are not running the turbo and compressor front and back like the Mercs. Correct me if I am wrong....it's just the word on the street.

There are two power unit configurations?

Seriously?

[JeremySmith]

Originally Posted by F1Pete

Here is an explanation why the Mercs are so strong....and will continue to be the team of the races.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuBB2F6IutQ

Very interesting.. Thank you for the link !

[wnut]

Originally Posted by F1Pete

Here is an explanation why the Mercs are so strong....and will continue to be the team of the races.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuBB2F6IutQ

Thanks for that!

Great thinking, very clever bit of engineering! Someone clearly designed a whole car and not just a PU!

Very handy too that the advantage is protected by the power unit freeze!
Wonder who came up with that idea?

Does this mean that the next three championships are a foregone conclusion?

[Aysedasi]

Hell, why buck the trend.......?.

[JamesH]

Originally Posted by F1Pete

Here is an explanation why the Mercs are so strong....and will continue to be the team of the races.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuBB2F6IutQ

Something doesn't quite make ense in that video (probalby just me). Towards the end, MB talks about moving the very hot compressor to the front of the car. I always thought it was the turbine that was hot, being in the exhaust flow. Admittedly compressing air does create heat, but not as much as the heat as in the turbine. The statement also contradicts the original premise that moving the compressor to the front means less heat and less intercooler needs.

Clearly, with the compressor at the front, they do have lots more scope for a compact rear end, which is what he was getting at. It just the statement 'very hot compressor' that seems odd.

Or have I completely misunderstood (it has happened before)?

[F1Pete]

I believe....with the knowledge of this configuration at hand....Honda will have some sort of advantage when they enter the field.

[JamesH]

Here something some left field.

Given the shaft from turbine to compressor runs through the engine, I wonder if there is anything to be gained from being able to use that rotational energy, or perhaps use oil flow to maintain shaft rotation to keep the turbo up to speed. (Or perhaps it doesn't actually run through the oil path). One could imagine being able to use the oil flow (if fast enough - I presume the shaft is rotating at extremely high RPM) past the shaft to maintain its velocity. Almost like another turbine powered by the oil flow.

Hmm, having thought about it whilst writing, I feel the oil flow, even if jetted through a small orifice at high pressure, wouldn't be fast enough.

Back to the drawing board.

[mikuni]

Originally Posted by JamesH

Something doesn't quite make ense in that video (probalby just me). Towards the end, MB talks about moving the very hot compressor to the front of the car. I always thought it was the turbine that was hot, being in the exhaust flow. Admittedly compressing air does create heat, but not as much as the heat as in the turbine. The statement also contradicts the original premise that moving the compressor to the front means less heat and less intercooler needs.

Clearly, with the compressor at the front, they do have lots more scope for a compact rear end, which is what he was getting at. It just the statement 'very hot compressor' that seems odd.

Or have I completely misunderstood (it has happened before)?

I agree with what you're saying regarding the heat, but the principle still makes sense - in fact, it makes more sense having the hot bit at the back, separated from the part you want to keep cool, in the inlet tract, at the front.

Here something some left field.

Given the shaft from turbine to compressor runs through the engine, I wonder if there is anything to be gained from being able to use that rotational energy, or perhaps use oil flow to maintain shaft rotation to keep the turbo up to speed. (Or perhaps it doesn't actually run through the oil path). One could imagine being able to use the oil flow (if fast enough - I presume the shaft is rotating at extremely high RPM) past the shaft to maintain its velocity. Almost like another turbine powered by the oil flow.

Hmm, having thought about it whilst writing, I feel the oil flow, even if jetted through a small orifice at high pressure, wouldn't be fast enough.

Back to the drawing board.

I'm sure it will be in the 'V' of the engine and be 'dry' from lubrication, other than lubricating the bearings of the shaft. I don't see any advantage to immersing it in the block, or trying to spin it up with oil pressure. That is already doing a very important job and you'd want to keep as little additional heat from the oil as possible while trying to moderate core engine temperatures.

[JamesH]

Originally Posted by mikuni

I agree with what you're saying regarding the heat, but the principle still makes sense - in fact, it makes more sense having the hot bit at the back, separated from the part you want to keep cool, in the inlet tract, at the front.

I'm sure it will be in the 'V' of the engine and be 'dry' from lubrication, other than lubricating the bearings of the shaft. I don't see any advantage to immersing it in the block, or trying to spin it up with oil pressure. That is already doing a very important job and you'd want to keep as little additional heat from the oil as possible while trying to moderate core engine temperatures.

I agree the principle is fine (very good in fact!), it's just the video at that point appears to be incorrect.

[F1Pete]

Hmmm....I don't like the last sentence in this article. Here we go....boring and predictable?

http://www.f1reader.com/news/the-mer...on-ahead-95986

[wnut]

Originally Posted by F1Pete

Hmmm....I don't like the last sentence in this article. Here we go....boring and predictable?

http://www.f1reader.com/news/the-mer...on-ahead-95986

I wonder if this weight advantage of relocating the turbo was the reason that the powers that be got all precious about splitting up the battery packs?